2008 $20 Prop Challenge Discussion

[Zombie-F]

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This is the thread for all discussion concerning the "2008 $20 Prop Challenge."

Please refer to this thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=10004) for the official rules.

Everyone be completely aware that winners from the previous challenge (2007 Monster Mud Mayhem) are not eligible to win prizes in the current challenge. You may still enter, but your entry will not be in the running for a prize.

Also note the new rule concerning items obtained from scrap:
All commercially available items obtained from scrap will have a value associated with it this time around. This value has been deemed to be 30% of it's original cost. For instance, if you obtain a 4 foot length of 2" x 4" lumber, it's value will be equal to it's off the shelf value (we'll say $1.50 for this example) multiplied by .3. Therefore, its value would be 1.5 * .3 = 0.45.

Please, talk amongst yourselves. :D

[heresjohnny]

Yay, new contest, and I am the first to post! I can't enter this, but I will be looking forward to what everyone comes up with. Good luck everyone....Now get busy!!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

You can play!

[heresjohnny]

Im always up to a little play

[Otaku]

Alright, a new contest! And wouldn't you know it - I've got 2 of the Lightning FX boxes on the way that I was planning on hacking. Looks like I may not enter an actual prop again this year...but then again...hmmmm

[Lilly]

okay ? How much would a dead tree trunk , a branch or twigs that fell off a tree cost? or feathers from geese in your yard? or rocks ? Seriously no joking here.
these are materials I may be utilizing.

[Zombie-F]

okay ? How much would a dead tree trunk , a branch or twigs that fell off a tree cost? or feathers from geese in your yard? or rocks ? Seriously no joking here.
these are materials I may be utilizing.

Well, I hadn't thought of that, but I'd call all that stuff free. I'll reword/change the ruling to state that "any commercially available product that is obtained from scrap..."

[heresjohnny]

I got it, a dead flying tree bird ghost that lays rocks!

okay ? How much would a dead tree trunk , a branch or twigs that fell off a tree cost? or feathers from geese in your yard? or rocks ? Seriously no joking here.
these are materials I may be utilizing.

[Beepem]

Woo! I need to get back into prop building now...

[crossblades400]

Mine is gonna take your breath away =P

Its gonna be unexpected, thats for sure.

[dave the dead]

Mine is gonna take your breath away =P

Its gonna be unexpected, thats for sure.

unexpected? hmmmmm....something to do with clowns maybe????? LOL:googly:

[heresjohnny]

unexpected? hmmmmm....something to do with clowns maybe????? LOL:googly:

Hmmm, maybe a zombie clown ground breaker?

[IshWitch]

Hmmmmm, I've got a few ideas for creations with stuff lying around, this would be a good time to kick it into gear! :D

Question:
Our dryer died and I am going to remove the drum for a prop. The dryer was bought for under $300 at a scratch and dent sale 6 years ago. Would a dead dryer's drum be prorated for cost?

Not something I would make for the contest, but just thought I'd ask.
Thanks!
;D

[Revenant]

This is the thread for all discussion concerning the "Monster Mud Mayhem!" challenge.

Please refer to this thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=10004) for the official rules.

Everyone be completely aware that winners from the previous challenge (2007 Monster Mud Mayhem) are not eligible to win prizes in the current challenge. You may still enter, but your entry will not be in the running for a prize.

Also note the new rule concerning items obtained from scrap:
All commercially available items obtained from scrap will have a value associated with it this time around. This value has been deemed to be 30% of it's original cost. For instance, if you obtain a 4 foot length of 2" x 4" lumber, it's value will be equal to it's off the shelf value (we'll say $1.50 for this example) multiplied by .3. Therefore, its value would be 1.5 * .3 = 0.45.

Please, talk amongst yourselves. :D
Okay, let me clarify this... it's the $20 Prop Challenge. But you intro the thread saying it's the Monster Mud Mayhem challenge. Sooo... is this the $20 Monster Mud Prop Challenge or did you just cut & paste your post from last July and just not modify the opening line? If it's the former, do we leave out the cost of the Monster Mud materials again, and if it's the latter, did someone not have his coffee today? :p

[Zombie-F]

Okay, let me clarify this... it's the $20 Prop Challenge. But you intro the thread saying it's the Monster Mud Mayhem challenge. Sooo... is this the $20 Monster Mud Prop Challenge or did you just cut & paste your post from last July and just not modify the opening line? If it's the former, do we leave out the cost of the Monster Mud materials again, and if it's the latter, did someone not have his coffee today? :p

It was the beer not the coffee. :p

Fixed the typo.

If you use monster mud in this one, the cost of the mud will be included in your cost.

[crossblades400]

Hmmm, maybe a zombie clown ground breaker?

Soon enough we'll see =P

[Uruk-Hai]

Hey Zombie. How much would you rate an old pallet found out at the back of a warehouse if I was intending to use the wood? I don't know if I have the time to enter (I'm still trying to finish up my Grave Grabber for the Forum build) but I thought I'd ask just in case. Thanks.

[tcarter]

I'm having a hard time finding a suggested retail value of a co-worker's severed head? any suggestions on pricing for this item?

[halloweengoddessrn]

I'm having a hard time finding a suggested retail value of a co-worker's severed head? any suggestions on pricing for this item?

If you dont like that co-worker- priceless!

[Lotus]

I'm having a hard time finding a suggested retail value of a co-worker's severed head? any suggestions on pricing for this item?

2.00

[Adam I]

I'm having a hard time finding a suggested retail value of a co-worker's severed head? any suggestions on pricing for this item?

Hmmm ....
I'd say there are several things to take in account for appropriate pricing.

1. Is it an antique?
2. What is the condition?
3. Is there historical or sentimental importance?
4. What will the market bear?

Obviously the price range is quite vast From $1.00 for a bloody pulp to Near priceless.

Without saying I’m no expert

[turtle2778]

LOL, no wonder people think we are freaks!! We are some seriously twisted individuals. I love this place :D

[tuck]

Just to clarify here but is this correct:

An entrant MUST have at least 30 new posts on the forums between now and March 31st, 2007. That means new people and inactive members must be active on the forums between now and then to be qualified to enter.

Or is it March 31st, 2008. As I wasn't here at that time last year.

[dave the dead]

It should be 2008, Tuck.... New folks to the forum can participate as long as they are active with 30 new posts during the contest.
Start your building!!!!

[pyro]

ooooo - i think i'll play -but im in the same boat as HeresJohnny-but its ok, i need to get off my butt

[DeathTouch]

What are they expecting for the 20 dollar prop contest. Anything perticular?

[skeletonowl]

yes i'm in this one! Man we have like a month and a half sweet!

[crossblades400]

2.00

Na lotus, maybe a bit more :p

[Lotus]

ooooo - i think i'll play -but im in the same boat as HeresJohnny-but its ok, i need to get off my butt

Hmmmmmmmm another project to do

[Mobile Mayhem]

Question:

If scrap material is obtained, say at a garage sale for a price cheaper that a prorated price listed in the rules, is that ok?

[Zombie-F]

Question:

If scrap material is obtained, say at a garage sale for a price cheaper that a prorated price listed in the rules, is that ok?

Yes.

[heresjohnny]

thats right pyro, get off your butt:D

ooooo - i think i'll play -but im in the same boat as HeresJohnny-but its ok, i need to get off my butt

[Revenant]

Unless he had a price on his head, I'd count that as salvage.

At work they've got me unpacking cameras and throwing the packing material away. Oddly enough I'm finding the packing material in my trunk instead of the dumpster. Trick of the wind I guess.

[BoysinBoo]

Hmm... co-workers head. Can we keep the cost down by taking up a collection at the office? We've got one gal that I think I could get the head and maybe pocket $20 in the process.

[Haunted Bayou]

I'm having a hard time finding a suggested retail value of a co-worker's severed head? any suggestions on pricing for this item?

Was he wearing a hat or wig? Then take 30% of the original cost and add it to the $2.00
:D

I didn't get any free plastic legs this year so I really have to think if I am going to enter.:googly:

[slightlymad]

Hmm... co-workers head. Can we keep the cost down by taking up a collection at the office? We've got one gal that I think I could get the head and maybe pocket $20 in the process.

Man o Man where is SI on this one? I just cant do it at the pg13 needed:googly:

[Revenant]

I've been holding back since I first read that. I just can't say it.

[Dr Morbius]

I've been holding back since I first read that. I just can't say it.
Awww...that "sucks"...heheh

[BoysinBoo]

Come on you guys. You know that's not what I meant. Don't blow it for the rest of us. Um, oops. Maybe I should read things aloud before I hit submit.

[spokanejoe]

No theme this time? Anything goes,as long as it comes in at a price under $20? Kewl!!!

[Ms. Wicked]

I think I have an idea...

The only thing is that with the move, I'm not sure if I'll have time. We'll see how the next week or so pans out.

[Hellspawn]

This may be a dumb question, but if parts of my build were purchased after halloween last year on clearance, can I use the clearance price? or is it 30% of the original?

[Haunted Bayou]

Thanks for changing the subject. LOL!

Yep, build anything within the $20 budget. It is amazing how creative people get with this contest.

I have a little idea for a prop. WAhahahahahaha!

[Haunted Bayou]

Use the clearance price because that is what you paid for it. It cuts down a lot if you have stuff you bought at 75% off.

[Hellspawn]

Use the clearance price because that is what you paid for it. It cuts down a lot if you have stuff you bought at 75% off.

or 90% :D

[PirateChris]

I may have to think about this one and join in for my first prop contest. I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall and see what comes to mind. Oh, and I guess I should start posting more, huh? Darn, that means I have to spend more time here >grin<

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Nothing wrong with that.

[Zombie-F]

I may have to think about this one and join in for my first prop contest. I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall and see what comes to mind. Oh, and I guess I should start posting more, huh? Darn, that means I have to spend more time here >grin<

We'd love it if you would. :D

[heresjohnny]

I may have to think about this one and join in for my first prop contest. I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall and see what comes to mind. Oh, and I guess I should start posting more, huh? Darn, that means I have to spend more time here >grin<

Yes, Enter, its a lot of fun!!

[Spartan005]

So... I got a dummy last year at a garage sale for 5 bucks. It's a styrofoam head with some fake hands and the rest is just jeans and a shirt stuffed with foam. Is that too cheap to be included?

Either way, I'm really pumped to get started on this

[Revenant]

just out of curiosity, when will we know what the themes of the next 2 contests will be? Or will we, before they start I mean? I don't really anticipate winning anything, but if you do, you can't compete in the next ones and the next ones might be something really cool too.

[Zombie-F]

So... I got a dummy last year at a garage sale for 5 bucks. It's a styrofoam head with some fake hands and the rest is just jeans and a shirt stuffed with foam. Is that too cheap to be included?

Either way, I'm really pumped to get started on this

Hey, if you paid for it then that's the price. I'm not going to nitpick over garage sale items and the like. If you pay cash for an item, the price you pay is to be considered "fair market value." I was starting to think that the "freebie" items started to spiral out of control over the past few builds and think a good way to curb that would be to assign a price to every item, with the exception of a very rare few things such as sticks collected in the woods, rocks, etc.

I hope you all are looking forward to this. It's become an annual ritual here and I definitely look forward to seeing what you all produce this time around.

[heresjohnny]

I am thinking water...and a water sprinkler...and a bucket....and a head...hmmm

[Revenant]

er... you replied to my post with a reply to a different post. I'll interpret that as, "No, I'm not letting you know what the next prop contest themes are going to be until the contests." That sound about right?

[Zombie-F]

er... you replied to my post with a reply to a different post. I'll interpret that as, "No, I'm not letting you know what the next prop contest themes are going to be until the contests." That sound about right?

I have no idea how that happened. I fixed it though! That's got to be worth something.

just out of curiosity, when will we know what the themes of the next 2 contests will be? Or will we, before they start I mean? I don't really anticipate winning anything, but if you do, you can't compete in the next ones and the next ones might be something really cool too.

You'll all know what they are after the contest that precedes it is over. :D

[Revenant]

I have no idea how that happened.
I think that brings us back to that whole "beer" thing...

[Revenant]

*sigh*... I have two creation ideas; one that I like more personally, and one that would probably be more popular. Can't decide....

[dave the dead]

*sigh*... I have two creation ideas; one that I like more personally, and one that would probably be more popular. Can't decide....


to compete, or please yourself? what a delimma....heck, for 20 bucks or under, do BOTH! (but submit the polpular choice :devil:)

[skeletonowl]

now I know why there is so much time allowed I don't have all the supplies yet

[ededdeddy]

I have an idea. rattling around in my head, but how would one pro rate an old fan that was gathered via garbage day. It was a standing oscillating one. That doesn't stand or oscillate and is missing the protective guard around the blade.

[Phil]

Is the bid on the co-worker's head still at $2?

[HrdHeaded1]

humph.. after the day I had.. I think I'd pay WAY MORE..to see his head rolling..

[Adam I]

humph.. after the day I had.. I think I'd pay WAY MORE..to see his head rolling..

Do you have a picture? I might bid 3 dollars :D

[Revenant]

I still say it's salvage and shouldn't be considered part of the cost.

[slightlymad]

Thats the point we have all gotten so good at collecting from curbies to feed our need for supplies that everything now needs a value. Which makes sense.

[Spartan005]

Ok so lets just say I happened to find a 25 year old pool filter motor that runs at 3500 rpms. Is there anyway that I could somehow fit that into the challenge...?

[HalloweenRick]

I think a $1 per RPM should apply-so that would be, oh, $3500...

[Zombie-F]

Thats the point we have all gotten so good at collecting from curbies to feed our need for supplies that everything now needs a value. Which makes sense.

Precisely.

The first time we ran the $20 challenge, the entries were plausibly $20 or less. Some of last year's entries were a little suspicious, hence the need to spec out cost on almost every item you guys will use this year. Everyone entering this time around must be aware that I will be paying careful attention to your materials lists.

[pyro]

``````so its been 5 days---any teaser pics yet?

[Revenant]

Precisely.

The first time we ran the $20 challenge, the entries were plausibly $20 or less. Some of last year's entries were a little suspicious, hence the need to spec out cost on almost every item you guys will use this year. Everyone entering this time around must be aware that I will be paying careful attention to your materials lists.
Okay... so supposing that I work in the equipment department (which I do), and I have access to a large supply of packing material that I can intercept on the way to the dumpster (which I do) like cardboard, bubble wrap, thin sacking, and small foam chunks... do I assign a cost to things like this? It's trash, technically. I just happen to be lucky enough to be in a place that has a steady stream of it going through.

[Spartan005]

I think a $1 per RPM should apply-so that would be, oh, $3500...

lol... except it only retailed for like $150 or something like that so ummm yeah

[Zombie-F]

Okay... so supposing that I work in the equipment department (which I do), and I have access to a large supply of packing material that I can intercept on the way to the dumpster (which I do) like cardboard, bubble wrap, thin sacking, and small foam chunks... do I assign a cost to things like this? It's trash, technically.

Yes, a cost will need to be assigned to something like that.

I just happen to be lucky enough to be in a place that has a steady stream of it going through.

And that is where the unfair advantages start coming into play. Not everyone has access to things such as you do, so that is another reason cost will be assigned to almost everything coming into this competition. This prevents near-limitless resources from being introduced from people who have access to them while other people may not have access to the same types of items.

I work at an antenna company. Would it be fair for me to use a functioning Oscilloscope I picked out of the trash? Not really because that's something only I would have access to and that nobody else would. Assigning a "fair market value" to such an item prices it right out of the competition and therefore levels the playing field for everyone involved.

I know there are people who aren't going to like this ruling, but that's too bad. Past entries that I felt really stretched -- or even that I suspected outright broke -- the rules have forced this rule to come about. Nobody is forcing anyone to enter this contest, so if it's a ruling that is that much of a burden, don't enter the competition.

Instead of everyone stepping up and nitpicking this new rule, look at it as an obstacle that must be overcome. It is the $20 Prop Challenge after all. Use your creativity to come up with something great.

[BoysinBoo]

Instead of everyone stepping up and nitpicking this new rule, look at it as an obstacle that must be overcome. It is the $20 Prop Challenge after all. Use your creativity to come up with something great.

I wouldn't call it an obstacle. I think that's part of the challenge. Not only creating something that is ultra cool. But ultimately making something that can inspire others. Personally I think that's what the forum is about. Inspiring and re-energizing each other.

[Spartan005]

Yes, a cost will need to be assigned to something like that.



And that is where the unfair advantages start coming into play. Not everyone has access to things such as you do, so that is another reason cost will be assigned to almost everything coming into this competition. This prevents near-limitless resources from being introduced from people who have access to them while other people may not have access to the same types of items.

I work at an antenna company. Would it be fair for me to use a functioning Oscilloscope I picked out of the trash? Not really because that's something only I would have access to and that nobody else would. Assigning a "fair market value" to such an item prices it right out of the competition and therefore levels the playing field for everyone involved.

I know there are people who aren't going to like this ruling, but that's too bad. Past entries that I felt really stretched -- or even that I suspected outright broke -- the rules have forced this rule to come about. Nobody is forcing anyone to enter this contest, so if it's a ruling that is that much of a burden, don't enter the competition.

Instead of everyone stepping up and nitpicking this new rule, look at it as an obstacle that must be overcome. It is the $20 Prop Challenge after all. Use your creativity to come up with something great.


so if thats the case than shouldn't the dummy that I bought for $5 at a garage sale really cost more in the challenge. because its not everyday that someone finds a prop that would probably cost upwards of $40. And for all you know I could have just made up that number and it may have actually cost $40 (even though I really didn't). so what about instead of allowing people to use prices from sales you have to use the 30% rule for Everything. especially for people planning on using spencer's or spirit store props that go for 75% off after halloween...

[Zombie-F]

so if thats the case than shouldn't the dummy that I bought for $5 at a garage sale really cost more in the challenge. because its not everyday that someone finds a prop that would probably cost upwards of $40. And for all you know I could have just made up that number and it may have actually cost $40 (even though I really didn't). so what about instead of allowing people to use prices from sales you have to use the 30% rule for Everything. especially for people planning on using spencer's or spirit store props that go for 75% off after halloween...

But that's where the "Fair market value" comes in. You bought it for $5, hence it'd be considered a fair price by the rules. If you dug it out of the trash, there would be no way of gauging what the fair market value would be except to find the cost of a new item and depreciate the value of it by some amount (which I chose 30% of it's cost new).

Now, this doesn't mean you can go getting your friends to sell you stuff dirt cheap to get around this rule. If I feel anyone's entry is even remotely suspect in this department, I won't allow it into the voting for prizes.

Likewise, a prop bought on a 75% discount would also be considered fair market value. The item never sold for it's marked up price because the market wouldn't bear that price, but at 75% off, it was the right price.

Of course, nobody in their right mind is going to take a prop they bought and enter it into this competition. There's no rule against that, but I'd be hard pressed to find somebody who would vote on such an item. The creativity of all you guys is what should be shining here, not somebody's ability to weed through garbage or find creative ways to obtain expensive items.

[Zombie-F]

I wouldn't call it an obstacle. I think that's part of the challenge. Not only creating something that is ultra cool. But ultimately making something that can inspire others. Personally I think that's what the forum is about. Inspiring and re-energizing each other.

I couldn't have said it better.

And if I never introduced new rules, the challenge would be less and less challenging from one year to the next.

[dave the dead]

Go for it Zombie-F!
I look forward to this contest just to see the creativity it sparks! It seems to me that folks are not necessarily questioning the rule itself, but just trying to understand what is going to fit within the guidelines. I think it is a very fair rule, especially now that I know someone has been throwing away working oscilliscopes.......

[Zombie-F]

I think it is a very fair rule, especially now that I know someone has been throwing away working oscilliscopes.......

Hehe. I use the term "working" very VERY loosely. It's a behemoth from the 60's or 70's. The thing turns on and you can get a trace to run across the CRT, but it's usefulness as an actual measurement device is long gone.

Anyway, I hope I haven't scared anyone away from the contest. I'm trying to maintain a fair playing field, and as always, if you have any questions, feel free to ask either in this thread, or via PM.

[Abunai]

O.K. Here's another question. If I purchase modeling clay to create a sculpture, then I make a mold from the sculpture, then a latex positive from the mold. The latex is not reusable, so its price counts. The plaster for the mold is not reusable, so its price counts. However, the clay is not part of the finished project, and I can use it again for other projects....does the price of the clay count?

[Silent Requiem]

Is there a cut off for when you can join?

[Zombie-F]

O.K. Here's another question. If I purchase modeling clay to create a sculpture, then I make a mold from the sculpture, then a latex positive from the mold. The latex is not reusable, so its price counts. The plaster for the mold is not reusable, so its price counts. However, the clay is not part of the finished project, and I can use it again for other projects....does the price of the clay count?

Yes, the clay counts. If you have to buy it in order to make it, it's going into the cost because from that one single sculpture, you could potentially make dozens of copies of it for next to nothing. Without the original item that any mold is made from, you wouldn't have a mold or any of the copies that were made from it.

Now, this doesn't mean you must add the clay's cost into the cost of every copy you make of an item, just add the cost of the clay in one time.

[Zombie-F]

Is there a cut off for when you can join?

The entries must be in before the end of the day on April 5th, 2008. As long as you're entry is posted to this forum before the end of that day, they you're in.

[BoysinBoo]

And that is where the unfair advantages start coming into play. Not everyone has access to things such as you do, so that is another reason cost will be assigned to almost everything coming into this competition. This prevents near-limitless resources from being introduced from people who have access to them while other people may not have access to the same types of items.

Now, this doesn't mean you must add the clay's cost into the cost of every copy you make of an item, just add the cost of the clay in one time.

Hey Z-F, maybe I'm a little slow. Wouldn't the clay mold fall into the catagory of things that not everyone has access to? Maybe it would be more fair if the cost of the clay were prorated/amortized over the cost of the two, three, ten , or even 1000 props.

[Merlin (The Quiet One)]

Time to put on the thinking cap.

[GothicCandle]

YAY!!! I want to start right now!!!!! I know just what to make!!!

[Beepem]

I have absolutely no idea what to make this year.

[skeletonowl]

oh come on Beepem you can think of something!
(and welcome back)

[Zombie-F]

Hey Z-F, maybe I'm a little slow. Wouldn't the clay mold fall into the catagory of things that not everyone has access to? Maybe it would be more fair if the cost of the clay were prorated/amortized over the cost of the two, three, ten , or even 1000 props.

But now you're talking about skill sets and not access to specific items. If somebody has the skill to make a clay figure and then copy it, then so be it. The cost of the clay that went into the original item would be included in the final cost, as would any latex, foam, or other casting materials that go into it.

[BoysinBoo]

IIIIII Toooooooold Yoouuuu IIIIIII Waaaas aaaaaaa liiiiittlllllle sssslllllooooowwww. (please read in a low, slow, idiotic type voice. kinda like when you play a 45 at 33. remember those?)

[Spartan005]

so I just have one quick stupid question...

can I submit two props that go together in the same entry? I know you said we can't have more than one entry but.. lets say it was a zombie crawling out of his grave with a tombstone behind it or something. It goes together, so is that allowed?

[Zombie-F]

so I just have one quick stupid question...

can I submit two props that go together in the same entry? I know you said we can't have more than one entry but.. lets say it was a zombie crawling out of his grave with a tombstone behind it or something. It goes together, so is that allowed?

I have set a precedent in the past of saying no to such things, so I'm afraid not.

[heresjohnny]

I have set a precedent in the past of saying no to such things, so I'm afraid not.

Forgive me for jumping in, but in contests past we have had a lot of freedom in how we stage and photograph our enties. I think if you build a zombie, and want to stage it in a graveyard for your entry photos, that should be okay. Right Zombie?

[Zombie-F]

Forgive me for jumping in, but in contests past we have had a lot of freedom in how we stage and photograph our enties. I think if you build a zombie, and want to stage it in a graveyard for your entry photos, that should be okay. Right Zombie?

Yes, but none of the actual props in the staging should be considered in the voting process.

[Spartan005]

Alright well to be perfectly honest, I'm still not sure what I'm submitting yet. I've been using this contest as an excuse to build lots of stuff for halloween. But anyway here's a few teaser pics...

First up, the one eyed, zombie head... he's not done yet lol
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l194/Spartan005/100_1378.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l194/Spartan005/100_1374.jpg
I've never made tombstones before but I found some styrofoam shoved in the back of my garage so why not?
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l194/Spartan005/100_1372.jpg

[skeletonowl]

looks like you defiantly are on to something!

good luck to everyone!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Hey Spart, what's your zombie hiding in his pants???

[HalloweenRick]

Maybe he's just happy to see you Jeff!

[Spartan005]

lol

he doesn't like close up shots

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Maybe he's just happy to see you Jeff!
I guess I asked for that! lol
lol

he doesn't like close up shots
And a much better answer!:eek:

[Revenant]

I have set a precedent in the past of saying no to such things, so I'm afraid not.
Aaah, but... and mind you I'm not being difficult ZF, just reminding him, as this is how I remember the ruling... if the two were actually connected and therefore one "set" piece, it's considered one prop. Providing of course that the cost of the two together doesn't exceed the limit. Correct?

[Revenant]

Woohoo, gotta love 50% off coupons at Michael's. I've been wanting to experiment with Celluclay, now I got 5 pounds of the stuff for $12.50. I don't even know what I'm gonna make yet but I know it'll be within budget.

[Zombie-F]

Aaah, but... and mind you I'm not being difficult ZF, just reminding him, as this is how I remember the ruling... if the two were actually connected and therefore one "set" piece, it's considered one prop. Providing of course that the cost of the two together doesn't exceed the limit. Correct?

Aye, that be true as well.

[Spartan005]

oh, so it can be something as simple as just a plywood base connecting the two and that counts? sorry for all the idiotic questions, just being safe lol

[Dr Morbius]

oh, so it can be something as simple as just a plywood base connecting the two and that counts? sorry for all the idiotic questions, just being safe lol
My guess would be no, (and correct me please if I'm wrong, Z), The prop's "pieces" would have to interact somehow. Like a figure, a prop in itself, holding a homemade lantern, another prop in itself, but they are one piece, because they are interacting directly. If you just mounted two props on a plywood base, then you have two props, one which might appeal to voters more than the other and visa versa the other prop, which gives you an unfair voting advantage.

[Silent Requiem]

but the same could be said of figure and lantern.what if there was some turf stuck on the plywood between them?

[Revenant]

What SR said...I was thinking that... either turf or mound of broken up dirt, something that completed the relationship bewtween the two and made it into a set piece

[Zombie-F]

If the items are two separate items, then they shall not be allowed. Something like a tombstone and a zombie would not be allowed unless the zombie was physically attached to the tombstone, not by way of a plywood base, but actually attached to the tombstone.

[Lilly]

I had this delima last contest , I had 3 pieces (my creeeeeps) that were a set but could only show one.
That was okay though. After the contest you can show them all together in the showroom.

[Silent Requiem]

how does one choose just one ghoulfriend?;)

[CreepyCanmore]

Pick the one least likely to eat you....

[skeletonowl]

a question if you will, i'm use paper towl tubes in mine how do you want me to add te cost for that?

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Myself, would consider those "recyclable" = free. But I could be wrong.

[Zombie-F]

a question if you will, i'm use paper towl tubes in mine how do you want me to add te cost for that?

Good point. For stuff like this I'd have to say it'd fall into the incredibly narrow free category as it's not an item you could go out and buy. The same could be said of empty cans, plastic bottles, or any other "recyclable" material like newspaper or old cardboard boxes.

Maybe I should make a "recyclables" category, so all commonly recycled items won't be added to cost. I'll think that over for a day or so and make a final judgment call on it.

[skeletonowl]

ok thanks Zombie-F and FE!

now I gotta get cranking on this

[Dr Morbius]

Good point. For stuff like this I'd have to say it'd fall into the incredibly narrow free category as it's not an item you could go out and buy. The same could be said of empty cans, plastic bottles, or any other "recyclable" material like newspaper or old cardboard boxes.

Maybe I should make a "recyclables" category, so all commonly recycled items won't be added to cost. I'll think that over for a day or so and make a final judgment call on it.
Oh, this is easy to catagorize:
Anything that was used to hold or contain another product that was used for normal consumption shall be deemed free, so long as that object can no longer be used for it's original purpose. Examples would include EMPTY papertowel holders, cans, cardboard boxes, toothpaste tubes, milk jugs, banana peels, deodorant or other toiletries. Aluminum foil may be used as long as you can provide photographic evidence that it was once used to prepare a saucy meal. Newspapers may be deemed free as long as they have been read first, but coupons from them will be counted at face value. Buy one get one free coupons for ham at $3.00 will be counted for the price of the original ham, but 10 cents off Scooby Doo fruit snacks would count as 10 cents, as that is what you would save had you used it instead of pasting it to the head of your groundbreaker.:D

[dave the dead]

Very well put ther Doc!

Quick question, though.....

Would there be there bonus points if I only use the obituaries to build up my paper mache??????

[heresjohnny]

I got the basic materials for mine pulled together. Even though it is not an official entry, I can't pass up the chance to build a prop for the contest:D

So for a grand total of $7.16 I got the essential elements of my prop; a pickle bucket from firehouse, a popup sprinkler and some PVC couplings, and an old mask bought at a clearance a few year back.

http://johnnyspage.com/images/waterpopup/IM004004.jpg

http://johnnyspage.com/images/waterpopup/DSC_0388.JPG

Edit, ends up HD didn't charge me for the elbow that screws into the bottom of the popup sprinkler, and the end that adopts PVC to a garden hose. Add ~$3.00, lets say $10.50 total.

[skeletonowl]

i love that mask! they use to have that at wal mart till they got cheap and sell crap

[Silent Requiem]

so, just to be clear,recycled water bottles could be free,and grocery bags?

[skeletonowl]

yes as long as they were used of course

[Silent Requiem]

yay! I know what I'm making!an SR gargoyle is on the way!

[dave the dead]

I have started...
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/davethedead/HF%20prop%20challenge/IMG_4960.jpg

[HalloweenRick]

WOW! That bundle of sticks looks so lifelike!

[Lilly]

Dave ..you stole my sticks!!
whats next my rocks??

haha what ya making

[BoysinBoo]

Actually brings up a good point. If a "borrow" a wiper motor, I probably have to count the cost even though it didn't cost me anything. The question is, is it 30% as in salvaged or is it full $$. Not that I would really "borrow" my neighbors wiper motor out of his 2008 Passat, but I might... giggle giggle.

[Revenant]

Ha ha, Dave already shot half his budget at The Stick Store! You'll never bring this one in on budget now.>:)

[dave the dead]

Sticks AND rocks Lilly??? You must have a cheaper source than me!!!

As for budget...I am already into this project for $1.50....dang....gotta watch the pennies from here on out.

[pyro]

well dave im sure that matches don't cost 18.50-----o your not makin a fire

[Silent Requiem]

no, he needs to be thrifty and start rubbing them together.Friction is free.

[dave the dead]

Friction is free.

man, I gotta move to Atlanta.....:eek:

[pyro]

lol :D

[Sickie Ickie]

Man o Man where is SI on this one? I just cant do it at the pg13 needed:googly:

Sickie is "getting on" when he can. heh Gotta get thru some family stuff first, then I'll be back with a "head of full steam!" :D

[BooGirl666]

Sickie dont you always have a head full of um well nevermind LOL

[Dr Morbius]

I'll be back with a "head of full steam!" :D
Oh that sounds painful.:eek:

[Silent Requiem]

no pressure,eh?

[hauntkid]

yes i have the perfect idea for this contest. just hoping i have the time to work on it and finish it!!!!!!!!!!!!:googly:

[GothicCandle]

Man, in a few days i get money and ill be able to start! yay! cant wait!

[Merlin (The Quiet One)]

Finally I have an idea! Now, time to collect parts and start to work!

[Zombie-F]

Since I've received a number of requests on how much things like 2x4s, foam, etc are going to be valued at from scrap, this evening I will be adding a "standard items cost" list to the rules post, so that lumber, foam, and similar items typically obtained from scrap will be given a uniform value to everyone who gets them from scrap.

This value is only going to be applied to items obtained from scrap, so if you go out and buy a piece of lumber, you will still be using the price you paid for it in your cost.

[Skrew2nite]

I said DEADline hahaha anyways say I built a prop and want to use say a $25 severed head just to enhance it is that bending the rules?

For instance if I built an autopsy table for $10 and thats what im entering but wanted to give an enhanced look by placing a $100 body on top does that count?

[ShadyHallows]

Got an idea, watch out. This time i'm not clowning around ;) Well hopefully it goes as planned!

[Zombie-F]

I have updated the rules thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=10004) to show standard prices for some items commonly obtained from scrap.

[Beepem]

Thanks Z, thats useful.

[plistumi]

I have an idea... Can I do it?

[GothicCandle]

anyone can. just be sure to read all the rules.

[Hellrazor]

I sure wish I could get in on this..... no time! I hate how busy I get myself... perhaps the next one! :) Cant wait to see all the creations!

[BoysinBoo]

I'm getting close! The prop (his name is Bozo) is done, but I have a problem. He was Hell-a cheap to make, so I'm considering attaching him to a wiper motor that my brother-in-law brought home from his body shop. It was free to me, free to him, but I know it would cost something. Help. I would love to show Bozo in his natural movement instead of as a static prop. But obviously only if it fits in the $20 limit.

[skeletonowl]

Hey Zombie-F I might have to drop out...haven't even been inspired to start it yet and I don't have the supplies...just so you know if I don't post anything

[Zombie-F]

I'm getting close! The prop (his name is Bozo) is done, but I have a problem. He was Hell-a cheap to make, so I'm considering attaching him to a wiper motor that my brother-in-law brought home from his body shop. It was free to me, free to him, but I know it would cost something. Help. I would love to show Bozo in his natural movement instead of as a static prop. But obviously only if it fits in the $20 limit.

We'll call the price of that $5. All electronics has them for $16.75, and using the 30% rule for items obtained from scrap, that equals just over $5.

[BoysinBoo]

On April 6th, 2008, a poll will be created and a 7 day period of voting will take place.

And on the 7th he rested. And Zombie-F looked upon the poll he had created. And he saw that it was good. ;)

[GothicCandle]

I hate not having a car of my own. My ride to go get the rest of the stuff I need to finish got canceled. Hopefully I can get another ride soon.

[Silent Requiem]

I hear ya on that one.

[dave the dead]

soooo.....

Anyone making any progress on their prop? I may end up changing ideas from my original concept....I have a few props in progress right now that could end up being my entry.

[Lilly]

Same here Dave.. I think I know what I may enter but not sure, will see how it turns out.
need to go scavenging yet.
but here is a little sneak peek for now
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j136/imdiamondlilly/snake%20stuff/glue%20body/08%2020%20dollar%20prop%20contest/sneakpeekpic.jpg

[GothicCandle]

I got it half done. however I am needing to go to the store for the rest to finish it. boooo i hate not having a car!!!!

[beelce]

Mine is 95% complete...YES!!! I started with one concept and the the darn thing took on a life of it's own and turned out quite different than I had planed. Now I need to get someone to tell me how to post my pics directly into my entry thread...anyone...anyone??

[GothicCandle]

i think(if i remember right someone correct me if im wrong) you use the [IMG] on both sides of the url. the picture should show up.

[Lilly]

beelce..
do you have photobucket...i think they all work the same
anyways upload your pic to photobucket and then the line that says IMG code... single click on that and then right click on it ...choose copy
then paste it into the message box.

[crossblades400]

God, im making something sick 0_o

[crossblades400]

Zombie F- How much would 1 RED LED eye cost? I made it myself, with 1 led, paper and a battery.

[slightlymad]

Uhg total black on what to build must drink more alchohal

[crossblades400]

Mine is looking good... just need to add paper mache to the head... lots of spikes, and bubbles... yes...

[Lilly]

okay another teaser pic....anyone else have any?
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j136/imdiamondlilly/snake%20stuff/glue%20body/08%2020%20dollar%20prop%20contest/sideviewregw.jpg
will work on the rest this weekend may be done then

[crossblades400]

no idea what it is, but i'd sure like to see it when its done! looks good =P

[BoysinBoo]

Hey Lunatic Lilly, the teaser pic looks like the foam net bags that those Asian Apple/Pear things come in. I've got it. A possesed, zombie fruit bowl that attacks and eats anyone that tries to eat it! Man this is so easy. (Please Note Heavy Sarcasm)

I wonder if anyone has already submitted their entry?

[crossblades400]

Ok, mine is all done. Now i need to get my sis's camera to take pics of it

[Lilly]

close BoysinBoo but no cigaroo...
I don't know if anyone has, I haven't seen any entry posts yet.

way to go crossblades...!!!!
I'll be close behind ya with mine

[Revenant]

I gave up. I'll just passively be a voter in this one. Maybe next context, or the one after that.

[beelce]

Thanks Lilly...I'll give it a try. I like your teaser pic...let's see if I can show one-

[beelce]

OK here is a teaser pic of my entry prop- http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q63/beelce/PropPeek1.jpg

[pyro]

wow - beelce.....kinky

[pyro]

Hey Lunatic Lilly, the teaser pic looks like the foam net bags that those Asian Apple/Pear things come in. I've got it. A possesed, zombie fruit bowl that attacks and eats anyone that tries to eat it! Man this is so easy. (Please Note Heavy Sarcasm)

I wonder if anyone has already submitted their entry?
when peeps start summiting they will have there own thread, look at the last challenge

[Lilly]

beelce..glad you got it to work..nice teaser pic
it is an egyptian cobra pot..LOL

took a peek at your hallo album is that a blow mold bike with the skelly onit or an inflatable? never seen one like that.

[ShadyHallows]

Everyones enteries look great so far! I wish I could actually get a start on mine...

[beelce]

Thanks Lilly...Not an egyptian cobra pot...nice try. I still need to do all the final paint touch up to get it ready to post. The little Harley motorbike that you saw was a curbside find that was once battery powered for small kids to ride around on. I put it in the bar-b-q scene with a 36" poseable skeleton sitting on it. The skelly spoke to people as the walke by.

[Haunted Bayou]

Thanks Lilly...Not an egyptian cobra pot...nice try. I still need to do all the final paint touch up to get it ready to post. The little Harley motorbike that you saw was a curbside find that was once battery powered for small kids to ride around on. I put it in the bar-b-q scene with a 36" poseable skeleton sitting on it. The skelly spoke to people as the walke by.

Yeah, sure.....you know that is a bejeweled codpiece.:eek::D:devil:

[Silent Requiem]

i was thinking more xena battle bra

[Silent Requiem]

i
ve got it half finished, just.can't. get.it.done.AAAAAAAAAAHH!

[Lilly]

I thought I could have entered it this weekend, but it seems something I need is buried in my tubs. Gonna have go dive in there this Sat to find what I need.

[Silent Requiem]

here's a question. do i need to count the urithane sealer that i would have to use if i were putting it outside, but not nessissarily going to do it now?

[dave the dead]

I think you just include whatever it takes to make the prop as you submit it to the contest SR....if you submit it without using sealer, then don't include that in the price.

mine is nearly done....totaling the costs and taking some pix....

[Zombie-F]

I think you just include whatever it takes to make the prop as you submit it to the contest SR....if you submit it without using sealer, then don't include that in the price.

mine is nearly done....totaling the costs and taking some pix....

What he said. Just don't apply the sealer and do that after the contest is over.

[Silent Requiem]

thank you

[dave the dead]

I just wanted to show off this guy...it was to be my entry to the contest, built with just sticks in my yard and some re-bar tie wire (total cost of about $1.50) It is now placed out in my yard...I am hoping it will be a nesting place for birds this spring (as well as creep out the neighbors....)

I have built something totally different that I will be entering in the contest.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/davethedead/misc%20pix/IMG_4964.jpg

[Sickie Ickie]

way cool! Did you have rebar going up each leg?

[Lilly]

Dave ....stick man cool, stick man good
nice idea
my entry isn't much more than your stick man cost also.

[DarkShadows]

I dont know if I missed something, but is thier a set theme on what to build?

[Lilly]

DS -- no no theme what ever you want just as long as you go by the rules

[beelce]

I like your stick man dave...should last a long time out in the yard.

[Hawks Hill Haunter]

Lilly - could that be a hot-glue net of some kind? Okay, maybe not a net, but definitely hot glue...right?

[Lilly]

yes Hawks..it's hot glue seems to be my favorite thing lately LOL

[turtle2778]

lol, lilly i thought the same thing. I was thinking wings. You and your hot glue.

[DarkShadows]

Just about have mine done. It's nothing realy special though. Do I make a new Thread for it under this section?

[Dr Morbius]

Go here (http://www.hauntforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48) and create a new thread. It won't appear right away. Zombie-F needs to approve the entry first, then he will release it to be viewed by the public.

[Hellrazor]

16 Days to DeadLine!!!

:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Cant wait to see what everyone came up with !!!!

[pyro]

16 days and only a few sneak peeks--wheres the pics

[tuck]

Well I will add my little teaser...If you can call it that. It's terribly dark....not to mention my first build....hope it comes out well

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/btuck77/200011.jpg

[beelce]

Yes that is a tease Tuck... At least I can see the LED...the other stuff looks like... an evil clown?

[Lilly]

or giant fly eyes....

[dave the dead]

Well I will add my little teaser...If you can call it that. It's terribly dark....not to mention my first build....hope it comes out well

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/btuck77/200011.jpg

hmmmm? I don't know about anyone else, but that's a pretty dark picture....what I see is some sort of figure in the distance drinking a 32 oz coke that is somehow lit from within....

[GothicCandle]

hmmmm? I don't know about anyone else, but that's a pretty dark picture....what I see is some sort of figure in the distance drinking a 32 oz coke that is somehow lit from within....

It does! lol

[pyro]

mmmmmmmmmm fly eyes looks like big teeth below it but whats up with the coke cup

[Lilly]

it's rum and coke in disguise!!!

[GothicCandle]

My friend is suppose to bring some stuff for me to finish the prop with today. it should be done, and pictures should be up by tonight! Yay!

Edit:
WAAAA my friend can't bring the stuff till monday!!!! waaa!

[tuck]

it's rum and coke in disguise!!!

I was drinking last night....maybe I was taking pictures of the wrong thing.

[pyro]

lol

[dave the dead]

My friend is suppose to bring some stuff for me to finish the prop with today. it should be done, and pictures should be up by tonight! Yay!

Edit:
WAAAA my friend can't bring the stuff till monday!!!! waaa!

Are you sure this is your friend????

[GothicCandle]

Are you sure this is your friend????

I know! Its so unfair! but theres this silly thing called easter weekend and some people are busy!

[Silent Requiem]

excuses excuses! where are their priorities? easter, Pa! Who needs friends and family?*grin*

[Lilly]

Hoping to get my entry in tonight ..
I can't get at a certain light I wanted to use, so what I have out will have to do.

[GothicCandle]

the glue needs to dry, then one last finishing touch and i should get it done in no time. yay!

[Lilly]

ok my entry has been submitted finally
Ghoul Luck every-body

[crossblades400]

Lily - wow, amazing and creative for less then $2!! =D

[Lilly]

thanks crossblades..yup it was cheapa cheapa

hope to see yours soon!

[Silent Requiem]

waaaa! I don't know if I'll finish on time!

[HrdHeaded1]

waaaa! I don't know if I'll finish on time Ummmmmmmm I haven't even started mine yet !!!

[Sickie Ickie]

April 5 deadline, folks. Maybe I'll try something. :)

[pyro]

Ummmmmmmm I haven't even started mine yet !!! ya what she said---wait last time i didnt start till 2 days before the cut off time and i still had 1 minute to spare---plenty of time :D

[crossblades400]

Yeah we have like 10 days to finish up and take pictures, i STILL have to get some pictures. If only i was 16... Im only 14 =( I cant drive yet lol.

[DeathTouch]

The kid from the sixth sense movie was younger than that and he took the bus to help that one ghost. Yee shall find a way.

[pyro]

kids today--they expect it all

[Lilly]

crossblades....why do you need to drive to take pictures?

funny he wants to be older and we'd all like to be younger..isn't that the way it goes LOL

[GothicCandle]

well, mines done. I'm debating entering it though, gaaaa idk. vlad and prettyghoul saw it and think i should. gaaa idk. I'm gonna try and take more pictures today.

[Lilly]

go ahead and enter GC..
We would al like to see what you made.

[pyro]

ya lets go post it- you too blades

[dave the dead]

well, mines done. I'm debating entering it though, gaaaa idk. vlad and prettyghoul saw it and think i should. gaaa idk. I'm gonna try and take more pictures today.

No question about it...post the thing!!! (I don't even know what it is, but post it!!!!)

[DarkShadows]

Yeah we have like 10 days to finish up and take pictures, i STILL have to get some pictures. If only i was 16... Im only 14 =( I cant drive yet lol.

No excuse!!! I remember riding my bike to home depot and walmart to get prop buidling supplies a few years back haha those were the days. Nothing like diving in a dumpster and bringing home big sheets of pink foam on my bike so I could make tombstones LOL

Post em up!!!

[GothicCandle]

Well, I just posted, so as soon as Z makes it visible yall will see my disaster lol.

[crossblades400]

go ahead and enter GC..
We would al like to see what you made.

I have to get one more thing for it at the store. And I need my sisters. Camera.

I may have it up soon

[beelce]

Ok...I pulled the trigger...my entry is in F's hands...8:35 pm central- Fri

[dave the dead]

Cool Beelce! Can't wait to see your entry!

Anyone else????

[Silent Requiem]

No excuse!!! I remember riding my bike to home depot and walmart to get prop buidling supplies a few years back haha those were the days. Nothing like diving in a dumpster and bringing home big sheets of pink foam on my bike so I could make tombstones LOL

Post em up!!!

:eek:wait, where did you find sheets of pink foam in a dumpster????

[crossblades400]

Ok, mine is posted up, gotta wait for the mods to approve. ;)

[Zombie-F]

Everyone's entries look great so far! 10 Days left for all you you who are yet to submit. I'm going to try and scare up another prize or two to make this a little more worth your time and effort. :D

[Wyatt Furr]

Very nice looking projects so far, conrats to all

[Haunted Bayou]

Well...here is a sneak peak. I will enter it if I can figure out how to get it to stay in place. Probably hot glue it to death.
Typical

[Haunted Bayou]

Well...here is a sneak peak.

I will enter it if I can figure out how to get it to stay in place and look right. Probably hot glue it to "death".

She is soooo mournful!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/HauntedBayou/20%20dollar%20prop%20challenge%202007/DSC02091.jpg

[beelce]

Yes HB!!!she looks great...get her glued up and enter her..

[Lilly]

looks great HB.. yup what beelce said.

[Haunted Bayou]

Alrighty then...I have an unexpected day off. Will see what I can do.

Thanks for the encouragement.
:D

[Silent Requiem]

what if you borrow a skeleton to make a mache copy of, does the skeleton count in the price?

[pyro]

im not goin to finish--dam rain

[Austin:)]

what about scrapped fence boards? Free?

[BoysinBoo]

30% rule for salvage, I think. Fence Board new = $2.79 (where I live anyway) Fence Board salvage = $2.79 x .3 = .84 each 6' board (or .14 per foot).

[Haunted Bayou]

30% salvage for old cracked fence picket that came from a demolished fence?
I picked one up off the curb.

[Sickie Ickie]

I'm almost completed. :)

[beelce]

That's great Sickie...get it in there!!

[Sickie Ickie]

waiting for paint to dry, then on to some other work. :D

[BoysinBoo]

Bayou,

Z-F posted this awile back.

Hey, if you paid for it then that's the price. I'm not going to nitpick over garage sale items and the like. If you pay cash for an item, the price you pay is to be considered "fair market value." I was starting to think that the "freebie" items started to spiral out of control over the past few builds and think a good way to curb that would be to assign a price to every item, with the exception of a very rare few things such as sticks collected in the woods, rocks, etc.

That's what I based my answer off of. You can submit whatever you want, but it might not pass his test. Just sayin'

BTW I should be submitting tonight.

[Lilly]

Thats great Sickie and Boysinboo ... you still have plenty of time