HauntForum DVDs

[Zombie-F]

Last night in the chat room, a few of us were discussing the possibility of throwing together a DVD collecting video from all of our haunts into one place, similar to the Halloween-L DVD, but on a smaller scale.

Would any of you be interested in doing this for 2006? If I can get enough people to say yes (and I don't have a set number in mind), then I'd be glad to throw the compilation together and offer it for sale here, with any profits going to keeping the site running.

What I'm planning on doing to separate this compilation from the Halloween-L compilation is to have the DVDs professionally duplicated and packaged. Here are things I'm looking to do to try and make this DVD the best collection of amateur and pro haunt videos:


Professionally manufactured DVDs WITH Cases.
Discs will be dual layer (I hope) to keep the amount of discs down.
Only forum members will be eligible to submit and only if they meet a 50 post minimum and were active here within the month leading up to October.
This compilation won't be for a contest. This will be just to share our haunts and ideas with each other and to offer inspiration.


I also have some guidlines for the disc that I'm laying out now, so any input on this stuff is appreciated. I'd like all of us to agree on some "guidelines", so put in your own $.02 as to if you agree with these or have ideas to add.


Seven minute time limit guideline for entries. Not a rule, just a guideline. Just remember, the longer the entries, the more likely we'll need to make this a 2... 3... 4... etc... disc set, thus driving the cost of it up. If your entry needs to be longer to be able to show everything, then so be it.
Try to only show each prop for no more than 10 - 30 seconds unless it has a long cycle time, or has some unique feature/function that you really want to show off.
Don't show the same prop more than once or twice. Your stuff is all great, but to keep the DVD moving along, it's best if you don't show your FCG or coffin leaper 12 times. A daytime and/or night time shot is sufficient.
Daytime and nighttime video is encouraged so everything can be seen in good lighting as well as under haunt lighting.
Entries that are overlong and drag in places will be edited down. The above guidelines spell out for you what I mean by dragging in places and overlong.
All submissions must be in by December 15, 2006. I will, however, accept new additions right up until I'm done editing and compiling the DVD. Once I burn a master copy though, no more new entries will be accepted.
Entries edited by the haunter must be in the US standard, Full-Screen 30 Frames Per Second format. I'd rather not have to make separate discs for entries that are in 25 FPS or in widescreen. If you have no idea about how to do this, I think I could walk you through it.


I'm also considering making this compilation for VIDEO ONLY. No still photographs. I was able to rent a video camera last year for a very reasonable price, so if you don't own a camera, don't feel like you're going to be left out. You can rent one. Just tell the rental place that you need a camera that's got pretty good night vision or can film in the dark.

So, given the guidlines above, do you think you'd participate? Answer the poll above and if enough people say yes, I'd be glad to toss together a compilation for the 2006 haunting season.

[Vlad]

I'd definitely be interested. Since I'm boycotting the L List ones since the Haunt X crew snuck in and started using them for their own ends.

[Zombie-F]

I think I may honestly be done with the list. Too much politics and a lot less haunt discussion on there nowadays. I'll probably still submit video to their DVD, but doubt I'll be buying it again. I felt this year's set was overpriced, especially considering I now know (through research of my own) how much it costs to produce such a set.

For what they're charging, it should have been a 4 disc set (dual layer discs hold twice as much info as the single layers that Propmaster used) WITH cases and color inserts. With the volume of discs they sell, it should have cost them about $2 - $3 per disc, making the cost per set $8 - $9 to make. Pump it up with a little profit money, and Propmaster could have made a nice set.

I think by continuing to do it all himself, Propmaster drives the cost of the set up. The cost of professionally producing DVDs has come down A LOT over the past few years, and the DIY method seems to be more costly now.

Even for a small run of discs, which our set will likely be, the cost for making a disc should only be around $5 per disc. I'd only inflate the price a dollar or two above that to work in some small profit that would go into maintaining the costs of running this site.

[krough]

I recently subscribed to the halloween-L list and have been suprised of the volume of hauntless discussion taking place. I have over 1000 mails sitting in that folder that have very little to do with haunting. I keep hoping its a seasonal thing and as it gets closer to oct 31st the discussions will change.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

This is a good discussion.
I may have to change my vote from "I don't know "
To an I'm in.
Since we're all on the same page.

And I had that same thought this year too, about doing the DVD's.
I'll help out!

Jeff

[Vlad]

I know you're right Zombie. But with me,it's not the cost , it's the fact that I won't let someone profit off of my work, when it's supposed to be for fun. Or should I say, I'm not willing to do it for someone who snuck in and seems to have gotten to Propmaster somehow. The Haunt x people get the DVDs before anyone else, they use them to promote their own business, and they're Johnny come latelys jumping in after years of everyone else paying for the DVDs and thereby buying Propmaster the equipment. I'd gladly pay for the DVDs from Unpleasant St., and also gladly pay the extra bucks, because at least you're doing it all up front.
And last but not least, no, the L List does not get any less chatty during the busy season. Keeba puts out a few warnings, but everyone just ignores them.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I know you're right Zombie. But with me,it's not the cost , it's the fact that I won't let someone profit off of my work, when it's supposed to be for fun. Or should I say, I'm not willing to do it for someone who snuck in and seems to have gotten to Propmaster somehow. The Haunt x people get the DVDs before anyone else, they use them to promote their own business, and they're Johnny come latelys jumping in after years of everyone else paying for the DVDs and thereby buying Propmaster the equipment. I'd gladly pay for the DVDs from Unpleasant St., and also gladly pay the extra bucks, because at least you're doing it all up front.
And last but not least, no, the L List does not get any less chatty during the busy season. Keeba puts out a few warnings, but everyone just ignores them.

Amen!
Paul, didn't answer back about that same question I had for him some time ago.
I believe he's in for the money now.
I won't submit video any more either, though I did think about copying all of the disks and selling them at cost off my site.
Still P*** me off to think about it:zombie:
Jeff

[Dr Morbius]

Although I'm on the HL webring, I'm not on the list. And, I have never submitted my video haunt to anyone, as I fear they will be exploited.

However, Zombie seems like an honest shmoe..I'll be happy to submit my video to him (should I speak about Zombie in the third-person?)..hehe..sounds like a good idea.

[Dr Morbius]

I know you're right Zombie. But with me,it's not the cost , it's the fact that I won't let someone profit off of my work, when it's supposed to be for fun. Or should I say, I'm not willing to do it for someone who snuck in and seems to have gotten to Propmaster somehow. The Haunt x people get the DVDs before anyone else, they use them to promote their own business, and they're Johnny come latelys jumping in after years of everyone else paying for the DVDs and thereby buying Propmaster the equipment. I'd gladly pay for the DVDs from Unpleasant St., and also gladly pay the extra bucks, because at least you're doing it all up front.
And last but not least, no, the L List does not get any less chatty during the busy season. Keeba puts out a few warnings, but everyone just ignores them.

This has me curious..Vlad, could you explain to me exactly what happened with Propmaster?

[heresjohnny]

Count me in!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

So ZF, is this a done deal?

Jeff

[Zombie-F]

I'd say so. I'm sure we'll have more participants over the course of the next 7 months between now and Halloween.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

That's great.
Do you have a business picked out for the replication and glass work yet?

Jeff

[Zombie-F]

Well, here's the catch. In order to get a glass master made and have them all pressed on REAL DVDs, I'd need a minimum order of 1000 discs and I honestly don't see that many of them selling.

In light of that, I have found a few places that do duplication on Dual Layer DVD-Rs and in the smaller quantity we'd need. The first place is called Discount Dupes (http://www.discountdupes.com/) and the other is called Pro Action Media (http://www.proactionmedia.com/).

If you know of any places that will do small production runs on REAL DVDs for a reasonable price, I'm all ears. I'd much rather go that route as the disc would definitely be compatible with every player out there, but if there's no place that can do small runs for a reasonable price, the DVD-R way will have to be the way we do it.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I'll dig into my archives to see what lurks there.
I'm sure I found a place that does a 200 min. it's a bit more but may weel be worth it.

Jeff

[Dr Morbius]

That's great.
Do you have a business picked out for the replication and glass work yet?

Jeff


What do you mean by glass work? I tried a search on Google, but found no reference to this term as pertains to DVD's...Just curious, I don't know much (anything) about mass producing DVDs

[Frighteners Entertainment]

What do you mean by glass work? I tried a search on Google, but found no reference to this term as pertains to DVD's...Just curious, I don't know much (anything) about mass producing DVDs
Sorry about that.
It's what they call it for the imprint(artwork) on the DVD if I remember right.

Jeff

[Zombie-F]

Sorry about that.
It's what they call it for the imprint(artwork) on the DVD if I remember right.

Jeff

Wrong... the "glass work" or Glass Master as it's more commonly called, is a glass master disc that has all the digital 1s and 0s imprinted on it, and it is from this disc that all the real DVDs are made from. A real DVD has a metal disc encased inside a plastic disc-shaped housing. The metal disc inside has all the grooves punched into it from the glass master.

A copied DVD (DVD-R, DVD+R, DL DVD-R) is actually very different from the manufactured DVDs you buy in a store. A duplicated DVD has an ink inside the plastic disc and your burner actually "writes" the grooves (digital 1s or 0s) into the ink. A copied disc actually has a lifespan of about 5 years, if stored in optimal conditions. If stored in hotter climates (like your attic), the ink can run and cause the DVD to be unreadable in a shorter period of time. This is why a REAL DVD is preferable to copied discs.

The artwork is often times transferred onto the disc via a heat transfer, printing directly onto the disc, or in some cases via a label.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Thanks for the clarification ZF.

Jeff

[DeathTouch]

It think the Dvd would be a great idea, as long as Frightners Ent's pocket snake is not on it.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

It think the Dvd would be a great idea, as long as Frightners Ent's pocket snake is not on it.
Got to say DT, if I had a snake in my pocket that big, I would have no blood left in my brain! lol

Jeff

[DeathTouch]

Got to say DT, if I had a snake in my pocket that big, I would have no blood left in my brain! lol

Jeff

Hummmmm... I wonder...

[stb_productions]

Hey All,
We are fairly new here but I tend to agree on the Halloween-L stuff. Although it's good for meeting new peeps. Anyway I think producing your own DVD is a good idea. We are way into thatg Business Model for our production company. If any of you are in Texas/surrounding areas and are really interested in having your Haunt filmed give me an email. Filming Haunts is one of the services we offer and I would love to help someone do their first one for a huge discount.

[DeathTouch]

…And now back to our regularly scheduled thread already in progress. But first…

When I get really thirsty during haunts, I reach for a Diet DeathTouch soda. It really quenches your thirst. And when you are really thirsty, try a Dr. Morbius. It really gets rid of the cotton mouth when building those special props.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

…And now back to our regularly scheduled thread already in progress. But first…

When I get really thirsty during haunts, I reach for a Diet DeathTouch soda. It really quenches your thirst. And when you are really thirsty, try a Dr. Morbius. It really gets rid of the cotton mouth when building those special props.

DT, You scare me! LOL

[Vlad]

Dr. M. In my opinion of what happened with Propmaster and the DVDs, was that originally the pics and movies were all submitted for the soul benefit of allowing other haunters to see each others work. Propmaster volunteered to do the editing and produce the DVDs. Then Haunt X, formally known as Deathfest, a West coast gathering, started using the DVDs to promote something they called the Golden Bucky awards, and themselves. It happened at an awards ceremony out in Ca. Despite the groundswell of protest over using the DVDs in a commercial venture, Propmaster saw nothing wrong with it, and allowed it to go on. Since for years, he's made a modest profit on the DVDs, he's been able to buy more sophisticated equipment to produce them. Now, in short, Propmaster has cornered the market on being able to produce them in the quantities needed. No one else would have the capital to start up the operation. So, now, They put out two DVD sets, one at a discount for anyone who will take the Haunt X commercial set, and another slightly more expensive set without the Golden Bucky advertisement crap. But the point is, that Haunter's videos are being used for a commercial venture, and Haunt X is profiting from the early years of Haunters paying for Propmasters reproduction equipment. It's the hippie in me that will never except it being done under the table like that.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Amen Vlad! And well said!

[gmacted]

I've only been a member of Unplesant Street forums for a few months and I don't have 100 posts ... yet! I think it sounds like a good idea though.

gmacted

[DeathTouch]

I am ready for my close-up Mr. DeVille. Get the camera out!

[claymud]

Vlads speetch made me want to stick it to the man. I think I'm going to go play some loud music :D

[Dr Morbius]

I had no idea HauntX were such dickheads. Surely everyone can see that. Now, if Zombies DVD's start taking off, and everyone in the haunt community switches thier submissions over to Unpleasant ST.(hey, it could happen! This forum is gaining popularity you know..),Propmaster could bite the dust. Hopefully.

[BobC]

Hey Im a go for this project sounds like a great idea. While the L-list dvds have some good stuff on them, I did find the emails I am sent from that list to be off topic and quite annoying. I stopped reading my emails from the list a month after I joined and have not had an urge to go back to that crap. I would rather see a nice DVD come out of Unpleasant street we actually have haunters that are totally into Haunting and scaring the crap out of people. Just a thought after the 2006 DVD comes out maybe we could have a poll after everyone looks at eachothers haunts and have a how-to DVD also one prop a person or something. My 2 Cents later all. :jol:

[DeathTouch]

I think when I send my video in, I should start it out with music with Sinister's proceed at your own risk song. Everyone will love me. Or beat me, I don't know which.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Or love to beat you?

[DeathTouch]

At Ironstock I met Virgil Franklin who produces his own music. I was asking him if he had any music for a video I was making for the hauntforum DVDs. I was looking for a upbeat dark audio track to go with the video. Well, he didn't have that type of song because normal dark audio tracks are not upbeat. But he was willing to make me one if I give him credit for it. Which I certainly intend to do. Now if I can get Britney Spears to star in it I should be good to go. Anyone have her number. She has to be hurting for cash to pay for baby forumula. LOL.


http://www.virgilmusic.net/

[Frighteners Entertainment]

A most terrific guy.
I'll be carrying all of his CD's in a few days.

[Front Yard Fright]

That's a great idea Zombie :) the mark butler guy from that haunt list made one to...
Where do you rent cameras? lol
:P

[Zombie-F]

Actually, Mark Butler produced the first few Halloween-L DVDs, but PropMaster has since taken over that duty.

[DeathTouch]

It might be a good idea to rename this thread "Hauntforum DVD" instead of Unpleasant Street.

[Zombie-F]

It might be a good idea to rename this thread "Hauntforum DVD" instead of Unpleasant Street.

Good plan... done and DONE!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Soon to be HauntXI DVD's LOL

[Zombie-F]

I was just thinking about this, but similar to the Hall-L DVD, maybe we could have a behind-the-scenes section as well, for those of us who have elaborate animations, setups, etc.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I'll help you with what ever you want to do.
But I think you already know that!

[DeathTouch]

That would be a good idea. I would like to see the behind the scenes with Dr. Morbius or Krough. Which is really pronouced crow. My wife keeps telling me that but I keep calling him Crooge.

[Sickie Ickie]

Sounds like fun. Since thisis my first year haunting, I don't think I'll have much to contribute- but I'd love to see others!

[claymud]

I'd love to contribute but don't really have a haunt, is there anything else I could do?

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I'd love to contribute but don't really have a haunt, is there anything else I could do?
Send Cash! lol

[Zombie-F]

I'd love to contribute but don't really have a haunt, is there anything else I could do?

Videotape whatever it is that you do happen to do. What do you do for Halloween?

[claymud]

Videotape whatever it is that you do happen to do. What do you do for Halloween?

Lol Z I don't think sitting in my basment watching the A-team would be much fun, but I'll see what I can do. :devil:

[ScareFX]

I'd love to participate as well. Since I shot "zero" video last year, I plan to document it all on video this year.

(And thanks for bringing this thread back to life. I missed the start...bad me.)

[SpookyDude]

I'd consider it... depending on what my subject matter would be.

[Empress Nightshade]

I, too have fallen out with the propmaster - Haunt X DVD crap. I entered our haunt in the 2005 collection because having our stuff on video was something I've always wanted to do. I finally bought the Non Haunt X label set and wasn't too pleased with it. A lot of people showing the same props over an over and I had to fast forward on many ocassions. I have no plans to submit video to them again.

However, I may be interested in submitting here except for one thing...
What I'm planning on doing to separate this compilation from the Halloween-L compilation is to have the DVDs professionally duplicated and packaged. Here are things I'm looking to do to try and make this DVD the best collection of amateur haunts out there:

Zombie, I'm no longer considered an "amateur" haunt. Am I still welcome to submit?

[Zombie-F]

Sure you are. I only made that statement because, by and large, most of us are amateurs here. :D I'll change it to say "amateur and pro haunts". :)

[Empress Nightshade]

No, Zombie. Dont' change anything. I just needed to know if I could submit.

Thanks!!

[Empress Nightshade]

BTW,

In my opinion, the status of "Amateur" and "Pro" is really only seperated by one thing...

Whether you charge your patrons to come in.

[bourno]

I had better post more if I want to hit 100 posts by this fall as I just chime in from time to time on subjects.

I think we should be a little more lenient on ole Propmaster. Yeah, he makes a little/some $$ off the vids, but I wouldn't have the patience to go thru someone's 20-30 minutes of shooting and then have to edit it down to 3-5 minutes. They all aren't like that I hope, but I am sure there are plenty though.

I do have to agree, I fast-forwarded thru several due to having slow 5 second still shots of the prop from 8 different angles. And I haven't watched much of the Party ones yet either.

As for the HauntX thing, yeah, it kinda pisses me off to get those done first before sending out to the people who contributed to the DVDs. I will most likely contribute again as last year was first time. It would be nice to have the videos that have been the same for the last couple years rejected due to lack of newness :)

[BuriedAlive]

100 posts! I need to start whoring. Where's Jeff, I need his advice on how to whore?

[Vlad]

Can't resist flogging this dead horse. On another list in response to a newbies question about where to find good ideas for props, here's the answer propmaster gave..................
"Posted by: "Halloween PropMaster" propmaster@halloweenpropmaster.com pvent13
Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:15 pm (PST)
At the risk of appearing to have a shameless self promotion...the annual Haunt-X Awards DVD set let's you see better than anything else just what we all are up to and how the finished products look..."

Now they're not even mentioned as purely haunters videos, but strictly Haunt X award DVD set. You'd have to be a moron to let your haunt video be used by Propmaster and Haunt X for their own financial gain.

[ShadyHallows]

I guess I would put my haunt in there.

[ruafraid]

If I can get a decent video this year I am in. I have one from last year but I did not send it to propmaster but I do need to post it on my site once I edit it some more. And look here my 100th post so I am golden LOL

[Spooklights]

I don't have an elaborate haunt or a video camera, but I'll certainly buy a DVD. I'd love to see all these haunts I keep seeing mentioned!

[DeathTouch]

I have been thinking about what audio track I am going to put in my dvd video haunt. Virgil was going to help with the audio track, but just incase he doesn't come thru I have a backup plan. These are two songs I might like to put in my video. I think one I have heard on Halloween-l already, but I still like it.

YouTube- Halloween

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlUt7YsW8VE

[roadkill]

Zombie - may I play Devil's advocate here and ask a question?

Why re-invent the wheel?

There is a standing contest that does all your are talking about (other than being specific to HauntForum.com) which takes video and picture submissions from several different groups and mail lists. It has been running for a number of years - offers prizes (many are incredible) that are donated by some of the folks on this forum.

Please take a look at www.haunterschoiceawards.com for more info but I think you should consider that as another option. There are more than one contest being run off those video/picture submissions and you can have your own DVD labels (just talk to PropMaster about the details there).

[roadkill]

I would also remind you that while Propmaster compiles the DVDs and Wil Schock has tried his level best to make it appear the videos are used solely for his commercial gain that is NOT the case.

First - PM is not being altruistic in his endeavours. He is making money - probably not much - but when an 8 DVD set runs you $30 it's not a bad deal.

Second - the DVDs are not solely compiled for the HauntX awards (which are a second runner). There is the Haunter's Choice Awards which are voted on ONLY by the haunters who get a set of the discs.

I should know - I help run that contest. Please allow me to clarify any other questions about this contest you may have before making it sound like it is being done purely for the benefit of Wil Schock.

[roadkill]

I, too have fallen out with the propmaster - Haunt X DVD crap. I entered our haunt in the 2005 collection because having our stuff on video was something I've always wanted to do. I finally bought the Non Haunt X label set and wasn't too pleased with it. A lot of people showing the same props over an over and I had to fast forward on many ocassions. I have no plans to submit video to them again.


That's a pity Empress because I enjoyed watching your video. I hope I don't have to miss it because of this but I also understand.

Please bear in mind that most folks have no idea how to video a haunt. They are very proud of their work and therefore feel it necessary to pan and walk and linger too long on their props / haunt. I watch 90% of the videos in FF and still see the whole thing.

Don't forget - you don't HAVE to get a set with the HauntX label on it.

[Vlad]

Hi Roadkill,
I know you addressed your comments to Zombie, but since you posted it in a thread instead of PMing him, I'll feel free to jump in and comment. lol

Is Z trying to reinvent the wheel, no, I don't think so. I do see him as offering yet another bonus to being a member of this forum. And even though I've never known Zombie to have any political or personal agenda other than keeping this group of loons happy, he's also enabling people to have a place to show off their haunts, and not have them used for someone elses profit. Because bottom line here, that's what's happening to everyone that contributes video or photos to propmaster. He's allowing them to be used by a business for their own gains. And there's no incentive given unless you buy the copies with that businesses logo on them. If Haunt X were at least offering free DVDs to peoples haunts that were pictured, or in some other way compensating them, that would be a different story. No video taxation without representation!

I know about the haunters video choice awards, and they're a legitimate 100% only for the haunter award program. It's a shame to throw out the baby with the bath water, especially when they were the first to do awards, but contributing video to one, means the other gets it free, and makes a profit out of it.

I know that people will be sad to miss seeing the Empress's haunt if she doesn't contribute. I missed seeing hers and everyones last year because I won't buy them or participate in sending video/photos while someone is making money off of people. And no, even though you don't have to get a set with the Haunt X label on it, you should always keep in mind that someone else is, for less money than you're paying for your set, and they're using your creative genious for monetary gain.

Okay, once again climbing down off of my soap box, this is all just my personal opinion of course, I don't often get riled up about things, but people being used really ticks me off. The real shame in all of this, is that the Haunters Choice awards, the folks who are strictly in this for the love of it, are shackled to Propmaster because he has a monopoly on producing them. But there's no reason not to have a Hauntforum.com set of DVDs. No one is being forced to submit here and not there. They're not mutually exclusive.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I also agree with Vlad on this.
It was a sad day when I had to pull the prizes :( from last years Haunters Choice DVD.

I am in full support for the HauntForm DVD's.

I didn't knock you off your soap box did I? lol

[DeathTouch]

Amen brother Vlad!

[Zombie-F]

What Vlad said. I'm not trying to knock anyone's block off with our DVDs or anything. I'd just like to offer an alternative for people who have been put off by Haunt X's involvement with the DVD this past year.

Also, ours aren't for any kind of contest, I'm just making them so we can share our stuff with each other in an easy fashion.

[grim reaper]

i liked the fact that to younger haunters got the dvds for free of propmaster but from all the awsome props and things id be willing to spare a few $$'s for it.
one problem: i have a video camera but do i send you the tape or send my stuff on a disk ??
also do i need a specific thing to get the video from camera 2 computer ??

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I 'm sure Z will post an outline when he's ready and I might be able to help you out if you need some editing.

[Zombie-F]

What it boils down to is I'd prefer the video on digital format, however, if that's not possible, you can mail me a copy of your video and I can work with that. Bear in mind, if it gets lost or damaged in the mail, I am in no way responsible for that. You mail me your video at your own risk, so if you do mail me a tape, make sure you mail me a COPY of your original.

As Jeff said, I'll fully outline the details once we get closer to the time I'll be tossing these together.

[Lady Nyxie]

Alright, did read all 8 pages of this thread, but for some reason still confused. So do I understand this correctly... These are by HauntForum members, for HauntForum members? Will they be available to anyone other than a HauntForum member? Will they be available for only a limited time? So basically all of the profit is intended to go 100% at all times to the costs associated with running the forum?

[Zombie-F]

Alright, did read all 8 pages of this thread, but for some reason still confused. So do I understand this correctly... These are by HauntForum members, for HauntForum members? Will they be available to anyone other than a HauntForum member? Will they be available for only a limited time? So basically all of the profit is intended to go 100% at all times to the costs associated with running the forum?

It's still an idea under development, but yes, the basic idea is that the DVD will be comprised entirely of HauntForum member's videos and the disc will be for sale to HauntForum members. If I wind up with extra copies, I'll probably sell them to the general public through ebay or some other means.

As for profits... if I decide to charge for a profit, it'll only be a dollar or two profit per DVD and yes, that money will get dumped into the HauntForum PayPal account and used to pay for the monthly costs of running the site, pay for contest prizes, etc. None of it will go into my pocket.

[Wildomar]

Well it sounds great to me... the problem is of course now I have to post like a mad dog to qualify. :D

Anyway, I like the idea and I like that it supports the forum.

Guess I will call myself the "Aspiring Post Whore" (APW). :p

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Well it sounds great to me... the problem is of course now I have to post like a mad dog to qualify. :D

Anyway, I like the idea and I like that it supports the forum.

Guess I will call myself the "Aspiring Post Whore" (APW). :p

Music to my ears! lol

[Wildomar]

Judging by your Registration Date, you will undoubtedly be my mentor! LOL :D


Why am I suddenly reminded of Darth Vader and the Emperor? :eek:

APW

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Judging by your Registration Date, you will undoubtedly be my mentor! LOL :D


Why am I suddenly reminded of Darth Vader and the Emperor? :eek:

APW
LOL, now I'm scared!!! LOL

[Beepem]

i could do this, but i cant upload video files due to size, and i cant do night shots....so im basically useless

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Doesn't have to be at night, but if I've got some extra time, I'll help you edit it.

[fontgeek]

While I don't do any video recording or work of that nature, I will offer my services as an Illustrator for cover artwork, liner material, disk artwork, etc.
Let me know if this is of any interest.
Some of you will know my artwork from halloweenforum.com's T-shirt contests (among other things), or from ScreamExtreme/Blackbox Theater stuff.

[Zombie-F]

While I don't do any video recording or work of that nature, I will offer my services as an Illustrator for cover artwork, liner material, disk artwork, etc.
Let me know if this is of any interest.
Some of you will know my artwork from halloweenforum.com's T-shirt contests (among other things), or from ScreamExtreme/Blackbox Theater stuff.

I would definitely be interested, as my artistic skills are rather limited. :)

[Wildomar]

Well, this post marks my 100th so count me in for a video contribution.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Well, this post marks my 100th so count me in for a video contribution.
That's great, and congrats on your 100th post!

[roadkill]

Hi Roadkill,
I know you addressed your comments to Zombie, but since you posted it in a thread instead of PMing him, I'll feel free to jump in and comment. lol

Is Z trying to reinvent the wheel, no, I don't think so. I do see him as offering yet another bonus to being a member of this forum. And even though I've never known Zombie to have any political or personal agenda other than keeping this group of loons happy, he's also enabling people to have a place to show off their haunts, and not have them used for someone elses profit. Because bottom line here, that's what's happening to everyone that contributes video or photos to propmaster. He's allowing them to be used by a business for their own gains. And there's no incentive given unless you buy the copies with that businesses logo on them. If Haunt X were at least offering free DVDs to peoples haunts that were pictured, or in some other way compensating them, that would be a different story. No video taxation without representation!

I know about the haunters video choice awards, and they're a legitimate 100% only for the haunter award program. It's a shame to throw out the baby with the bath water, especially when they were the first to do awards, but contributing video to one, means the other gets it free, and makes a profit out of it.

I know that people will be sad to miss seeing the Empress's haunt if she doesn't contribute. I missed seeing hers and everyones last year because I won't buy them or participate in sending video/photos while someone is making money off of people. And no, even though you don't have to get a set with the Haunt X label on it, you should always keep in mind that someone else is, for less money than you're paying for your set, and they're using your creative genious for monetary gain.

Okay, once again climbing down off of my soap box, this is all just my personal opinion of course, I don't often get riled up about things, but people being used really ticks me off. The real shame in all of this, is that the Haunters Choice awards, the folks who are strictly in this for the love of it, are shackled to Propmaster because he has a monopoly on producing them. But there's no reason not to have a Hauntforum.com set of DVDs. No one is being forced to submit here and not there. They're not mutually exclusive.

I absolutely agree with you 100% Vlad. There IS a problem with the commercializing of the haunt Videos. Which is why I stood fully behind the option to NOT have my haunt included with the HauntX video set. It was included anyway - completely against my wishes and I have had many lengthy discussions with PM about it.

I am insisting my haunt not be included in any more HauntX videos henceforth (although there won't be a video this year anyway).

That does not take away from the HCA. Can I offer this (and this goes to Z and anyone else who gives a damn). I will talk with the coordinators of the HCA and see about getting away from PM. Would there be a possiblilty of working together on this project? I would LOVE to see the HCA fully separated from any commercial venture and any effort to make money from peoples DONATED video and pics.

I'll get back with Z personally on this. Like Z and the rest of you I don't want to step on toes or throw any wet babies away but I also don't like to see duplications of effort when they are not necessary.

More to follow - I'm sure.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Well RK, I believe that there will be some monies made from this, but the funds going into the forum costs.
I'm all for that , HUGH supporter here, Love to see Z not take any money out of the pocket to fund this place anymore.

[roadkill]

Again - I completely agree. There will have to be a cost associated with the eidting and printing. I also think Z should use the money to help keep this forum in operation.

You'll get no argument from me there. I am as much behind the idea of a good quality, low cost video for the benefit of the community and not just being used to line a couple of pockets.

[Dr Morbius]

How cool would that be! To have HCA associated with Hauntforum! The names even go together...Haunters Choice Awards presents Hauntforums' Haunted DVD set..Hmmm.

[DeathTouch]

How cool would that be! To have HCA associated with Hauntforum! The names even go together...Haunters Choice Awards presents Hauntforums' Haunted DVD set..Hmmm.

Haunters Choice? Is Zombie-F selling coffee now? And is it good to the last drop?

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Haunters Choice? Is Zombie-F selling coffee now? And is it good to the last drop?
HMmmm DT, you may have something here?

[Zombie-F]

HMmmm DT, you may have something here?

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "Good to the last DORP?" :p

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "Good to the last DORP?" :p
Or "Good to the last Prop"

IronStock used that last year.

[DeathTouch]

And keeps your but up for those looong nights. When stuff ain't working, reach for Haunter's Choice, keep's your but up. Wan Valdez costume sold separately. But you get the mule

[Zombie-F]

And keeps your but up for those looong nights. When stuff ain't working, reach for Haunter's Choice, keep's your but up. Wan Valdez costume sold separately. But you get the mule

lol. Since when is JUAN Valdez Chinese? Wan. You guys. :p :googly:

[Witchypoo]

Well. I find one forum I'm not involved in & this is what happens! LOL! Here I am, making my puny effort to post.
I am here, I am reading & listening to suggestions. I will try to make as best a decision I can for the HCA & for all Haunters.
I just hate to take the Original contest away from the original compilation.
Deanna Witchypoo

[Zombie-F]

Witchypoo, I'm not trying to steal you guys away from the PropMaster DVDs... with or without your participation I'm going to be making DVDs for the forum members here. It was roadkill that brought the idea to me.

Whatever decision you all come to really doesn't affect the production of our DVDs one way or another. So, if you guys want in that's fine and if not, no hard feelings. :)

[shaunathan]

is there anything stopping us from having our haunt on more than one DVD? I may try to get on halloween-L DVD and this one...

[Zombie-F]

Nope. Nothing at all. Feel free to send your video to whomever you like. :)

[roadkill]

Just for an update. We've been talking to Prop Master about this. We should have an update on the status of the videos for the Halloween Video Compilation and the Haunter's Choice Awards very shortly.

At the very least I'd like to have folks on the HauntForum DVD somehow considered for the HCA as well.

[Vlad]

You knew I'd have to pop in at some point with an opinion on this, lol. Let me say that either having the Haunters choice awards videos removed from the same DVDs as the Haunt X DVDs, or having them combined here in some way, is a wonderful thing to hear. I haven't been on this thread for awhile, as I've been off on another forum doing my Don Quixote on this same subject. On that forum, Propmaster was proclaiming the HauntX awards ceremony as THE awards that really meant something. I had to beg to differ and remind him that the Haunters Choice awards were the only ones given as a direct vote of a jury by your peers. Also on that forum it was my understanding that Propmaster feels that there are enough people participating now, that he no longer cares if people don't like his giving away their haunt videos for his and others commercial gain.

I would still encourage everyone to not be so desperate to have their videos seen, that they allow themselves to be used by others. Having your video on the L list videos doesn't mean that you're somebody, it means that you're somebody who's being used. It will only take the emergence of other haunt videos to solve this whole problem.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Well said Vlad!

Which forum is this? The L?

[NickG]

well, I'm excited about it. I'm working to get my post count up high enough to submit a video..

[wizardry68]

little input. why is the video only limited to those with a 100 posts to submit for dvd's? i have sent my video to propmaster last year and have never heard of the problem that you all have posted. i have also bought the year before from him. i do understand that each group has their own rules and thats what keeps a group organized. i dont have a problem with that. seeing such that this is a halloween group, and i belong to many, join groups to help give me ideas and help on props etc....... in my eyes why cant anyone belonging to the group able to submit a video? its a good idea to use the money to help the site. i feel more video's the more you can sell to help the site. this will in my eyes also help those who want to start haunting give them ideas etc..... im not a pro at decorating or building, im learning more everytime. this group has helped me with ideas and the other topics also. i dont want anyone to feel im stepping on toes, this is just my opinion. my haunt may not be the greatest but i also want to give someone else a chance to see it and give them ideas.

[Zombie-F]

I'm doing the 100 post limit to prevent "fly by submissions." I don't want the video "by our members, for our members," to be full of submissions from people who don't contribute to the forums. It also helps keep the number of discs (and the price) down making it affordable for everyone.

Not to mention, this is the first time I'm trying to do something like this, so I have no idea what impact this is going to have on my free time. If this first year goes well, then I will open up the submissions next year.

If you want to hit 100 posts, why not try some of the games in the Fun and Games forum. That's a good, easy way to build up posts quickly and get to know your fellow forum members.

[wizardry68]

i got 8 discs for under $20 last year. im sure this will take up alot of your free time. if every member of this group with 100 + points submits a video, expect to be very busy converting videos of all kinds

[Zombie-F]

Acording to the poll above, I'm not going to get that many submissions. For that $20 you got a DVD that somebody profited from... and it doesn't even come with cases or inserts. I'm aiming to provide a nice package with these from a professional DVD duplicating house.

[wizardry68]

then that would give you a good reason to open it up more, make it more avail. to other ppl to submit. now is the purchase going to be open to all?

[Zombie-F]

then that would give you a good reason to open it up more, make it more avail. to other ppl to submit. now is the purchase going to be open to all?

How is that a good reason? I want to keep this set small and want it to consist of submissions from active, contributing members of this forum. If you have a problem with that, I'm sorry, but that's just how I want to do this for the time being. I said in the very first post that I don't want this to be a huge set and that I want this to be a way to showcase forum members' acheivements. To me, simply signing up here isn't "being a member." One has to contribute something to really fill that role, and I feel that 100 posts isn't that much to ask, especially considering how easy it can be if one just participates every now and again.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I'm all for that Z and as mentioned earlier, I will help you out in anyway you see fit.

[gmacted]

I agree Zombie-F. It really itsn't that difficult to get 100 posts.

[Zombie-F]

And to answer his other question, yes, anyone who wants one can buy it.

[stretchnuts]

ill donate video and funds to help just tell me where to sign

[Sweeney Family Horror]

This gives me good motivation to have my post count high enough to participate next year!

[Vlad]

As a first comment here, I'd like to suggest that the post count be seriously lowered so that serious Halloween folk like John above can submit their videos also. 50 would do it for me. The more we have the better.

[Zombie-F]

I *could* do that. I'll have to think about it. 50 would be the absolute minimum though. I'd not go any lower than that.

[Vlad]

I agree Zombie, I'd just hate to miss out on including the serious folk who have signed on in the last few months, and haven't been been making "clutter" posts, just to get their post count up.

[grim reaper]

when would the final date for entries be ??? i will be moving during november and dont want to miss out on this.

[Zombie-F]

I made December 15th the deadline for submissions.

[Vlad]

That's great news Z, that'll give us all time to edit it ourselves and not bother you or FE. Also, that gives the newer people time to boost their post counts and get in on it.

YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, TAKE PICS OR VIDEO EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO ENTER IT NOW !!!!!

[Zombie-F]

That's great news Z, that'll give us all time to edit it ourselves and not bother you or FE. Also, that gives the newer people time to boost their post counts and get in on it.

YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, TAKE PICS OR VIDEO EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO ENTER IT NOW !!!!!

Video only Vlad... I always felt that putting still images on a DVD is a waste of the format. Photobucket is for photo albums, IMO.

[Dr Morbius]

I may only be able to take video with my crappy digital camera. It has no sound, but I can edit sound into the video, but using just music and narration. Maybe only day shots too. Would that be OK?

[Zombie-F]

I may only be able to take video with my crappy digital camera. It has no sound, but I can edit sound into the video, but using just music and narration. Maybe only day shots too. Would that be OK?

Sure thing.

I just really want to avoid photo galleries on the DVD, because I tend to always just chapter skip to the next video entry since I've already probably seen the photos on the internet. It's just a preference of mine.

[Vlad]

How many hours can fit on one DVD? If there's still room on it, it would be a shame to waste it. Maybe we could fit slideshows on at the end?

[DeadSpider]

While this DVD set interests me, I am but a lowly camera wielding spider... I do not have a video camera, and my picture camera only takes short small vid clips.

[Dr Morbius]

DS, my camera is the same. I took a few short clips, they have no sound. I intend to edit them together and add a soundtrack in my computer. you could do the same. I don't even have night footage, as my camera doesn't pick up on it.

[Dr Morbius]

How many hours can fit on one DVD? If there's still room on it, it would be a shame to waste it. Maybe we could fit slideshows on at the end?
I like that idea. I understand we see pics on the net, but to have them in one place while watching a DVD would be cool. If they were on a seperate chapter folks who don't want to see them don't have to.

[Zombie-F]

I like that idea. I understand we see pics on the net, but to have them in one place while watching a DVD would be cool. If they were on a seperate chapter folks who don't want to see them don't have to.

That's an idea. I could roll with that.

[BooGirl666]

I would love to see a DVD come out of all the great stuff on here. I voted I'd love to only because I want the DVD. My stuff doesn't compare to most people on here (still a newbie)

[Dr Morbius]

I'm still new too! This is only my second real haunt..if you could call it that. I'm almost ashamed of it, but I'm STILL gonna submit my footage..(well inchage..it's only 60 seconds long..hehe). At least if there is another DVD for 2007, folks can see my haunt evolve. I think it's a great way to archive these things.

[Dr Morbius]

I don't remember exactly..Zombie, how do you want these submitted? Mine is small enough to Email a zip file, or I could burn it to DVD if you want.

[Dr Morbius]

I would love to see a DVD come out of all the great stuff on here. I voted I'd love to only because I want the DVD. My stuff doesn't compare to most people on here (still a newbie)
OK I saw your pics on your haunt and it is WAY better than mine...please submit it for the DVD..It rocks!:D

[Vlad]

Oh well, the best laid plans of mice and men, oft gang agley. The video I took was all but unusable. A friend did stop buy and take some video that I'm hoping is usable, but I'm not counting on it. At least I got tons of regular photos so I have a record of it all.

[BooGirl666]

Thanx Doc for the kind words... Unfortunately my video camera crapped out shortly after trick or treat started. My fiance said he was able to get one walk-thru and still gotta find the charger to see what it looks like. Otherwise I may be able to take some video of our individual props instead of our walk-thru cuz my fiance is starting the cleanup now. I get the inside he gets the outside. Don't know which is the lesser of two evils lol.

[NickG]

I've got 30min of video to edit... some of the "regular mode" stuff came out pretty well, and the night mode came out great, but doesn't show any colors.

any ideas how to edit it? it's on a mini-dvd.. borrowed my neighbor's sony.

[Vlad]

Don't know Nick, I'm in the same boat, lol. I got the Panasonic DVD Ram corder from my friend with the disk in it, Can't get the software to download it through USB, but I'm working on it.

[Zombie-F]

If you got the $$ the Sony consumer level software for editing is excellent. You can even import the video from the camera with it.

[Zombie-F]

I have a question for everyone here... would anyone be opposed to the Haunter's Choice Awards using our DVD for voting purposes? This would open the submissions to more people out there and would be good publicity for our forums. On the other hand, it'll make for a larger DVD set which will drive the cost up some.

Roadkill has been trying to get a deal worked out between us and them for a while now, and it looks like things on their end may finally be at a point where they're able to work with us on this.

[NickG]

I wouldn't mind... I still consider myself to be small potatoes and I'm just thrilled to be able to get on a DVD with some of most awesome haunters in the country.

we just ordered a sony DCR-SR40 2 days ago which says it comes with editing software, so I might be able to use that to edit the video. I also need to order a DVD burner and a larger hard drive... our pc is at it's max of 500mb of ram so that might slow things down a little.

[Vlad]

What exactly is the deal? Are they going to also enable our videos to be used on the Haunt X DVDs, or are they talking about something seperate, I have no problem with joining up with Roadkill on something separate, after all, they represent the original "for Haunters" videos. The more the merrier.

[Zombie-F]

What exactly is the deal? Are they going to also enable our videos to be used on the Haunt X DVDs, or are they talking about something seperate, I have no problem with joining up with Roadkill on something separate, after all, they represent the original "for Haunters" videos. The more the merrier.

It's something separate. They have parted ways with Propmaster and the HauntX folks.

[Vlad]

In that case Z, I'd say it's not only a good idea, but imperitive that we join forces. I'd love to see as many videos and slide shows as possible all in one place.

[Zombie-F]

Ok, I've talked to Roadkill as to what is going to happen this year. As of this writing, the contest is still going to roll on the Propmaster sets. However, Propmaster is doing a non-HauntX set for the HCA awards, so those of us that don't want to participate in the profiting of HauntX don't need to.

Roadkill and I agree that it's unfair to have two sets participating in the contest as some will obviously submit to one set and not the other, thus forcing people to buy two sets if the voting is to remain fair. So, for now, our set is its own separate entity.

With all that in mind, I do urge everyone that wants to be involved in the HCA to submit both here and to the Propmaster NON-HauntX set. In the future, Propmaster may no longer be interested in running two sets, so there is still a possibility we may get involved in the HCA at a later date.

This is still all a developing situation, so things may change sooner than later. I will keep everyone here briefed on what the status of our DVD set will be.

Sometime over the next week, I shall be posting info on getting your videos to me. It is likely there will be an FTP site for those of you who wish to FTP the video to me and there will also be a physical mail address for you to mail video to me should that method suit you better.

The deadline (as of now) is still December 15, 2006.

[NickG]

I found a pretty easy to use editing program, MPEG video wizard DVD. the minimum requirements are pretty low - and it runs well on my 1ghz computer w/ 512mb of ram. it says the minum processor is 233mhz but that's probably a real stretch to work with video.

[DeathTouch]

I don't know if this is posible, but I know a guy that helps out in the Christmas side that has some really nice video equimpment. Of course it might be more of a pain to send all those videos to him anyway, but it is a thought. I was asked by the Chicago Mini-plus last summer to come out and film their event. They showed how to setup light, computer control, and welding. It was an all day event. But I think he would charge to do it. Don't know if that would be problem. I have not bought the DVDs yet, but I certainly am since I was the camera guy. I also had a wireless mike that I used to pick up the audio. It was pretty nice. Here is the link to the DVDs. It is all the way down, where it it says Chicago Mini-plus dvd. You will see my name as the video guy.

http://www.planetchristmas.com/Merchandise.htm

[Frighteners Entertainment]

If someone needs a hand in editing their video, feel free to contact me to see if I can help.

[Zombie-F]

Everyone should direct their attention to this thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=4643) for the full submission information. If you have any questions, please start a new thread in the Questions, Comments and Feedback Forum (http://www.hauntforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3).

Can't wait to see your work start rolling in everyone!

[Dr Morbius]

After messing with the resolution on my video, and trying everything I can think of, I have come to realize that my video is of such poor quality that it is useless. Anything larger than a small frame results in too much distortion. Crap. Looks like my submission is out.

[p8balls]

Hey guys,

As some of you may or may not know the Halloween-L has severed ties with PM, and I will compile the 2006 Haunters Compilation this year. I volunteered to do this while the feud was going on and the decision was made.

I see you guys are putting a DVD together also. If you guys want to submit to the H-L video also you're more than welcome. I'm going to offer the DVD's as close to cost as I can, to be determined. I'm also going to include a hard case to hold the entire set, with a full color cover. No more paper sleeve's!

These will be the official compilation for the Haunter's Choice Awards also.

Enough rambling it's starting to sound like a sales pitch. Sorry!! Enough said!

Chris
Oops! More info at www.hauntvids.com.

[Zombie-F]

Shit. With all these compilations out there this year, maybe I won't bother with ours. I mean, these are already well established sets I'm going against here.

Not to mention, I haven't received a single submission as of yet. What happened to all the interest in our little set here?

[slimy]

ZF, my video is unusable. But I do want to advance order one. I'm not contributing to the vid, but I wanna buy one when it comes out. People, make this happen!

[Zombie-F]

Well, I need to know there will be enough submissions to warrant even making one and then I need to have enough pre-orders (which will happen after I compile the videos) to warrant my ordering the DVDs.

What's weird in all this is the idea of running the HCA awards was run by me, it was offered as a joint venture between our disc and the Propmaster disc. I declined because I felt it was unfair to expect people to buy two sets so they could fairly vote on the entries. Now, I see that p8balls is the sole proprietor of the HCA discs? Propmaster isn't in on it any more? Why wasn't that offered to our set?

I'm now hesitant to even follow-through with this project because with two well-established sets out there, I don't see any room in that market for our little set any more. Who would buy our set when there's two others out there with infinitely more stuff on them, including submissions that will appear on our set?

[slimy]

Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roadkill]

ZF - FWIW I was planning on submitting to your video set.

I also want to clarify something. There seems to be a pervasive misconception - the video set compiled from multiple lists is _not_ the "HCA" set. The Haunter's Choice Awards are just a prize contest (this year because of the short time-frame I will be awarding certificates - no time to arrange for bigger prizes like in previous years) that are judging the videos compiles (the Haunters Video Compilation).

Yes, P8balls has stepped up to compile and edit that set but I do not see that it means HauntForum shouldn't have its own video set. There were several reasons behind this change but Propmaster will be making different sets this year.

I will gladly answer any other questions about the HCA privately. I would rather this focus on the HauntForum DVD set. I think even with the duplicate members who are on multiple lists (like me) there is always room for the HauntForum DVDs. I also think it would be a great way to generate some money to operate the site.

[p8balls]

I'll submit to the set also!

I didn't mean to disrupt anything. I read in this thread that people didn't want to submit a video to PM because of the affiliation with HX. I also saw some talk about the HCA's. Since PM isn't putting together the H-L DVD's any longer, I figured I'd make you aware of the change.

I'm not making any decisions on my own, ideas are being shared amongst 6 respective members of the h-list in order to keep the tradition going in the best interest of the haunting community.

Chris

[NickG]

I was looking forward to videos from other hauntforum members... I'm not interested in the other sets at all.

[Zombie-F]

Well, the development of the set depends entirely on video and photo submissions from the users... so start 'em rolling in guys! :D

[Dr Morbius]

Good news! I was able to greatly clean up my video, and I saved it to AVI, NTSC 30 FPS (full screen)..so, mine is ready to submit! It is very short, about 1:30 long, so my question is, could I upload a zip file to my web site and E-mail you a link Zombie? It is 300 MB , so Rapidshare won't work for me. This way you could have it by Saturday or Sunday.

[Zombie-F]

Good news! I was able to greatly clean up my video, and I saved it to AVI, NTSC 30 FPS (full screen)..so, mine is ready to submit! It is very short, about 1:30 long, so my question is, could I upload a zip file to my web site and E-mail you a link Zombie? It is 300 MB , so Rapidshare won't work for me. This way you could have it by Saturday or Sunday.

That's great news! Yeah, that'd work just fine. E-mail me the link and I'll DL it for addition to the compilation.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Well, I hope to start working on mine tonight or tomorrow.
I may toss a couple of shorts on to a thread here.

[NickG]

wow, yours is 300mb? Mine is 4min 30 seconds long and it's only 158. I wonder if it's compressed or something. I'll get zombie to check it out and see.

[Zombie-F]

MPEGS compress better than than AVI files. Also, the filesize will depend on what resolution your video is at, sound quality, etc.

[Dr Morbius]

313 MB (328,943,616 bytes)

That's what it says when I click on properties.

[NickG]

I think I might have figured it out this morning - I recorded in SP instead of HQ.

any luck with the FTP yet ?

[Dr Morbius]

I emailed you that link, Z. If it's too big, let me know. I'll just burn it and send it to ya.:D

[Zombie-F]

Well, since our host is having a hard time getting the FTP set up the way I want it to work, I've asked if krough would be able to host the FTP transfers for this compilation. Time is running down and it'll be December 15th before we know it. As of now, I only have two submissions... my own and Dr Morbius'. Hopefully once I get over this hurdle, I can get some more rolling in.

[Dr Morbius]

C'mon peeps! Let's get those videos submitted!

[NickG]

okay, my CD is on the "to be mailed" pile for tomarrow.

[Vlad]

Still working on it here.

[DeathTouch]

I might be able to help with FTP if anyone is interested.

[Zombie-F]

I might be able to help with FTP if anyone is interested.

That would be cool if you could, but aren't your servers in your house? Wouldn't want to tie up your home internet connection with all kinds of video uploads/downloads. Turns out krough is unable to help out at the moment.

[DeathTouch]

That would be cool if you could, but aren't your servers in your house? Wouldn't want to tie up your home internet connection with all kinds of video uploads/downloads. Turns out krough is unable to help out at the moment.

No, I use 1and1 service. So I am good. Just sent me a PM I will setup a password and such. When ever you are ready. Just ask Grim Reaper. I used to set it up for him all the time.

[Zombie-F]

I just updated the DVD Submission Info (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=4643) with the FTP transfer information. DeathTouch has been kind enough to set up an account and password for us to do this on his server. Thanks DT!

[Dr Morbius]

sooooo..How many submissions you got now, Z?

[slimy]

Wondering that myself.

I'm sorry I have nothing to offer as far as video, but I sure want to do some buying.

Keep those vids coming guys.

[Zombie-F]

Myself included, there are five submissions so far. Four video and one still photo submission.

[DeathTouch]

Hey, I was thinking Zombie. I don't have a video of my haunt but I have a lot of photos of Ironstock and transworld. Could I put a video slide show of those instead?

[Zombie-F]

Hey, I was thinking Zombie. I don't have a video of my haunt but I have a lot of photos of Ironstock and transworld. Could I put a video slide show of those instead?

Sure you could. I'd include that on the DVD of extras. So far, I'm the only one contributing to that aspect of the set with my comedy club routine so some TW and IS photos are definitely more than welcome on the set.

[BooGirl666]

Hey DT I have a bunch of Ironstock pictures too. If you want I can send them to you and you can add them to your slideshow.

[Fangs]

Ok, you talked me into it. :> Only I have no video either. Just a few photos I took. I'll get them to ya asap. :>

[DeathTouch]

Hey DT I have a bunch of Ironstock pictures too. If you want I can send them to you and you can add them to your slideshow.

That would be great! Just put them on the ftp server with your name and I will download them and add them to the video. Any type of music that you want played during the video? If you have any music perf, just upload those too if you want.

[BooGirl666]

Hmm music. I never thought about that... Gotta be something spooky yet have a beat. So people know that Ironstock is all about having halloween fun. What are you thinking of using?

[DeathTouch]

There is a song I got from Grim Reaper called "Things that go bump in the night." I was thinking about that one and another one that I can't recall at this time.

[BooGirl666]

Never heard that song is it like a monster mash type song or spooky sounds or what? But I'm not picky so if you like it use it. I'm sure it will turn out great no matter what.

[DeathTouch]

Never heard that song is it like a monster mash type song or spooky sounds or what? But I'm not picky so if you like it use it. I'm sure it will turn out great no matter what.

It is kind of a dance song. You can hear what it sounds like at http://www.sinisterspace.com/Deathtouch/ It is the Harry Potter video in the upper right hand corner.

[Fangs]

I like that DT! :> btw, do you happen to like Britney Spears too? :googly: :p :D Just kidding my dear friend!

[BooGirl666]

Cool I'll check it out. Ok now to figure out the FTP site lol gotta wait til I get home. Ssshhh, at work hehe. Thanx DT.

[Hauntiholik]

The song is "Things that go bump in the night" by Allstars.

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[p8balls]

I just want to give you a heads up and let you know I will be submitting a video also. I've been very busy lately and haven't started it yet but will try to get it to you by the 15th.

Chris

[Zombie-F]

I just want to give you a heads up and let you know I will be submitting a video also. I've been very busy lately and haven't started it yet but will try to get it to you by the 15th.

Chris

With all the problems I had setting up the FTP, I may be extending the deadline to the 31st. As a show of good faith, I'll likely submit my video to your set as well. :D

[Empress Nightshade]

Zombie,

I had pretty much resigned that I wouldn't submit to anyone this year. Pretty much because of all the controversy surrounding DVD sets from other sources. I'm sure you know what I mean. However, if I were to submit to anyone it would be here.
Just one question though....
You say "No entry shall advertise or otherwise mention any specific busniess. This includes links to business web sites. This compilation is not a free ad for your business. Links to personal sites are acceptable, but no links to business sites are allowed."

My haunt is pro and is therefore a business. I always put our link at the end of our video as it is a 3 minute commercial of what went on in the haunt for that year. Also, if I use someone's music, especially a local band's music, it is only common courtesy to give them props at the end of the video, as well. Is that going to be a problem?

[Zombie-F]

Zombie,

I had pretty much resigned that I wouldn't submit to anyone this year. Pretty much because of all the controversy surrounding DVD sets from other sources. I'm sure you know what I mean. However, if I were to submit to anyone it would be here.
Just one question though....
You say "No entry shall advertise or otherwise mention any specific busniess. This includes links to business web sites. This compilation is not a free ad for your business. Links to personal sites are acceptable, but no links to business sites are allowed."

My haunt is pro and is therefore a business. I always put our link at the end of our video as it is a 3 minute commercial of what went on in the haunt for that year. Also, if I use someone's music, especially a local band's music, it is only common courtesy to give them props at the end of the video, as well. Is that going to be a problem?

I guess I need to clarify that then. Basically, I don't want people who operate businesses that sell things (i.e. Fright Catalog, Frighteners Entertainment, Terror Syndicate, etc) to be turning their submissions into ads for their prop-selling businesses. If your haunt is the business, it'll be considered "ok" to put a link there. It's also encouraged to mention who did your music as a lot of the stuff that people use on these things aren't exactly free from copyright protection.

[Empress Nightshade]

Thanks for clarifying that for me, Zombie. :)

[p8balls]

With all the problems I had setting up the FTP, I may be extending the deadline to the 31st. As a show of good faith, I'll likely submit my video to your set as well. :D

Zombie the 31st won't be a problem, I really need to get to work on it! It's been kinda crazy on my end!:googly:

I'm looking forward to seeing your video, we have a pretty nice lineup so far, to be announced in a few weeks. I'm surprised at the amount of entry's we have, there's a lot of familiar faces and some new ones, very talented!

Chris

[BooGirl666]

Hey DT I got to thinking since you have alot of pictures already. I don't want to use the same ones. So why not go thru my photobucket account and let me know which ones you could use. That way there is no doubling up on similar pictures. Just a thought, let me know.

[DeathTouch]

Better yet, I have the video on the ftp server right now. If you could download it and check it out, you could tell me which pictures you would like to add. then I will update the video to include yours. How is that?

[DeathTouch]

I was checking out your pictures babygrl_kmp. I think they would all work. Just upload the photos to the deathtouch folder on the ftp. I will add them when I get home.

[Zombie-F]

DT, your stuff is already added into the compilation. Please do not further edit your video, and instead create a separate video of her stuff. I've already downloaded the file once, and don't have any desire to continually re-download the same file each time a new bit of material is added to it.

In fact, I'm considering breaking your video up into separate chapters. One for the TW stuff, and another one for the IS stuff. It's also easier to credit who's photos are whose if each person's pics are in their own separate slideshow.

[DeathTouch]

Ok, got ya Zombie. Didn't know you had already started.

[BooGirl666]

Ok so how do you want me to get you the pictures DT? Sorry for the questions.

[DeathTouch]

Ok so how do you want me to get you the pictures DT? Sorry for the questions.


Just upload them to the Deathtouch folder on the FTP. if you have any audio or mp3 upload those as well.

[Zombie-F]

I have 8 submissions thus far (6 video and 2 photo slideshows) as well as "extras" stuff from three people. This is nearly enough to fill one DVD. I'd like to see some more stuff filter in. I believe Ghostess will be putting something together and I recall Frighteners and P8balls said they'd toss something into the fray.

Anyone else interested in contributing? I'd like to see some more stuff so this compilation is worthwhile and has a chance at selling.

[Hauntiholik]

Did you get my package yet Z?

[p8balls]

Zombie,

I'll definataly have something coming your way. Just going to be a little late. I should have some time this week to start putting my video together.

Chris

[Zombie-F]

Did you get my package yet Z?

Yep, and it's already added into the compilation. Thanks for the vid. :D

Zombie,

I'll definataly have something coming your way. Just going to be a little late. I should have some time this week to start putting my video together.

Chris

Well, the deadline is the 31st, but as long as its in by the time I burn the first DVD you're a-ok. Did you get my video for your compilation yet? I uploaded it to your FTP last weekend.

[p8balls]

Did you get my video for your compilation yet? I uploaded it to your FTP last weekend.

Yes I did, thanks for the video! I looked at it briefly after I downloaded it. Looks good!

I may extend our deadline also, I've been getting a lot of emails asking if I could extend it, or saying they'll be submitted late. I'll see how the rest of the week goes. Late entry's shouldn't be a problem though, I think I'll be compiling videos until the 2nd week in January.

Chris

[NickG]

I was making a slide show .mpg and noticed my resolution for video creating is 720x480 Is this pretty much "normal" ?

I tied the haunt video in with the slide show to make it into one file to burn to a CD to send out to some of my relatives that are on dial-up along with their x-mas goodies.

I will also have the slide show as a separate .mpg file with background music... zombie, do you know what resolution the photos I sent you are? I forget... they should be about 2mb each pic, if not I might have sent you some resized ones... the .mpg slide show I made uses the uncompressed 10mp images, so the quality is pretty good... it might be a good idea to use the .mpg slide show I made rather than all the invidividual photos I sent you unless you have something else in the works?

(edit)

I just watched the video and slide show on my TV via the dvd player and it looks pretty good - the slide show turned out great and the video footage resolution is "pretty good"

[Zombie-F]

I was making a slide show .mpg and noticed my resolution for video creating is 720x480 Is this pretty much "normal" ?

I tied the haunt video in with the slide show to make it into one file to burn to a CD to send out to some of my relatives that are on dial-up along with their x-mas goodies.

I will also have the slide show as a separate .mpg file with background music... zombie, do you know what resolution the photos I sent you are? I forget... they should be about 2mb each pic, if not I might have sent you some resized ones... the .mpg slide show I made uses the uncompressed 10mp images, so the quality is pretty good... it might be a good idea to use the .mpg slide show I made rather than all the invidividual photos I sent you unless you have something else in the works?

(edit)

I just watched the video and slide show on my TV via the dvd player and it looks pretty good - the slide show turned out great and the video footage resolution is "pretty good"

I hadn't even realized you'd sent photos as well as video until just now. I could create a slideshow of your photos for the extras disc since you have behind-the-scenes stuff in there or you could send me the mpg you created and I could use that. The photos you sent are really large and will look just fine if I use them.

This goes out to everyone... for future reference, if you have a question or comment pertaining to your specific submission, please either e-mail me or send me a PM with your question or concern. It's easier for me to keep track of what's going on that way rather than to scour through this thread to try and remember what's going on.

[DeathTouch]

Just a thought, and I have a feeling it won't fly. But since I am making some slide shows for the extras part, how about if we get all the members from hauntforum to submit just a few photos of their haunt and a nice title page of their hauntforum name and website if they so desire. Kind of like a video slideshow of what Hauntforum is all about. Showing all the members names, website and just a few photos of their haunt. I think that might be cool.

[slightlymad]

that i could do video camera crapped out

[Zombie-F]

Well, since I've gotten so few entries, I'm going to open up the rules a little more so it can include more of you. I'm going to bump down the post count requirement to minuscule 10 posts. I'll be announcing that in a newsletter update shortly.

[p8balls]

Good idea Z, I've also been getting emails from people who are going to use the holiday vacation to work on their videos, so we're going to extend the deadline to the 2nd week in January to accommodate those that need the extra time.

I have some Transworld pics on my photobucket site, but they may be the same as pics you already have. Just search for p8balls and it should pop up. If you see anything you like let me know, and I'll get you the high res pics.

Chris

[Zombie-F]

Ok, one more extension here for us as well. Second week in January is the absolute last chance to be on the DVD. After that, I'm burning a master copy (or copies, depending on how much material there is).

I have updated the list of entrants in the second post to this thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?p=93313#post93313). If you submitted and your name isn't on that list, then you need to contact me as I have not received an entry from you at the time of this writing.

[Ghostess]

I'm so excited... I'm on a LIST! And it's for something GOOD this time! ;-)

[Zombie-F]

Received two more vids in the mail today. That brings the total time of the set to 111 minutes 51 seconds. At this point, it will all fit on one dual layer DVD. If I get more submissions totaling greater than 9 minutes, we will roll over onto a second DVD, which will increase the cost of the set. I'm considering setting the cutoff point at the next submission that comes in to avoid this. I'd hate to see the set roll over to a second disc for only one or two submissions.

What do you guys think? Should I just let them keep coming in and maybe cut out a few of the extras (like perhaps the convention photos)? Should I just keep going and let it roll over to a second disc? Should I stop submissions now and only have it be one 120 minute disc?

Looking for some feedback here. Would you still buy it if it rolls onto a second disc (effectively doubling the cost) or would you rather just buy the one DVD?

[Otaku]

I don't have a video to contribute, but I'd definitely buy the DVD(s).

[Hauntiholik]

I'd rather buy one disc.

[DeathTouch]

I think the first one should be 1 dvd to cut cost. If you have to get rid of the photos like mine just to keep the video, that is fine with me. I would perfer the video myself anyway.

[Zombie-F]

I'd really prefer this set be one disc as well. If it sells, then I'd consider multi-disc sets for next year.

Ok, if I cut the IS and TW photos, that'll free up another 20 mins, which will mean I have about 30 mins left until the DVD is full, which is good.

The photos section of the disc is looking rather sparse. If any of you have photos you'd like to contribute, I can edit them into a video slideshow for use on the set. Please see the rules thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=4643) for info on how to submit content to me and I'll be sure to include your pictures on the disc.

[Dr Morbius]

I think the DVD should reamain a single offering to start with.

[Ghostess]

As a beginning venture, I'd go with just one. It gives you a bigger goal to work toward for next year. ;-)

[ScareFX]

Keeping it to one disc sounds like an excellent plan. There's no use driving up costs for only a few minutes of additional content.

[DeathTouch]

Well, I take that back. If the 2nd DVD was Hot Hauntforum ladies in the buff then I would pay you extra. And it would have to be the ladies not Johnnythunder either. There was so much talk about that studly Johnnythunder that I wanted to make that clear.

[Dr Morbius]

I just want to say I am absolutely thrilled that there are enough submissions to warrant a discussion of making a 2nd DVD. This is gonna be great!

[Dreadnight]

Zombie, I want to shoot my haunt video out to you, but it's about 9 minutes in length. Is that gonna work for your, or should I just wait till next year? Are you even still taking inputs??

[Zombie-F]

Zombie, I want to shoot my haunt video out to you, but it's about 9 minutes in length. Is that gonna work for your, or should I just wait till next year? Are you even still taking inputs??

I currently still have 30 mins to fill, so I'll take it.

[Fangs]

I uploaded some pics from our little Spooky Paradise in the FTP link.... Did it work? Hope you got them.

[slimy]

One disc, two discs, I don't care. I want a set. This is going to be awesome.

Can't wait.


(Will do a much better video next year - promise)

[BooGirl666]

One disc, two discs, I don't care. I want a set. This is going to be awesome.

Can't wait.


(Will do a much better video next year - promise)

Me too slimy next year I will have a video that is worth showing lol

[Zombie-F]

Wow. Looking at the cost of producing this set is dizzying. From the looks of it, it may be cheaper for me to use two regular DVD-R discs instead of the a single Dual Layer disc. I could package them in a case that holds two DVDs, that way I'd only need one case and one insert for each set.

I still have to design a cover for this thing as well as artwork for the disc itself. If anyone has any free time and the skills to do so, I'd gladly take the help anyone out there could do one or both of those for me. I'll pay you in the form of a free DVD. :D

[Zombie-F]

Ok, I've been playing around with compressing the video a bit. I can get nearly 2 hours worth of video onto a regular DVD with no noticeable loss. This is great news because I can now say that it'll cost me about $4 - $5 per disc to have them made and shipped to me. I'd say to expect them to cost you around $10 shipped for the disc. That's not too shabby for 2 hours worth of material and extras.

I'm still awaiting one more entry that should be in by week's end and I have to work on the titles a bit as they look a little pixelated on my TV set. I may have to make images of the titles to make them look nicer.

I will probably start a pre-order period at the end of January.

[Zombie-F]

I can also further keep the cost down by about $2 - $3 more dollars if we go without a case and instead use paper sleeves. I want some feedback on this as I want to make sure I give you guys what you want out of it.

So, cases or no cases? That is the question. :D

[krypt]

paper case i always throw my cases away anyway and use a cd book .........how much is this gonna cost for a copy?

[Zombie-F]

paper case i always throw my cases away anyway and use a cd book .........how much is this gonna cost for a copy?

I can't answer that before I know whether or not others will want cases or not. If people go for cases, it'll be around $10, without cases probably more like $6 - $7.

[ScareFX]

I would vote for paper sleeves. Saves storage space which means more room for props. :D

[krypt]

do you need to get on a list to want a copy like reserve one or say hey i want one?

[skullboy]

I would prefer paper.

[Zombie-F]

do you need to get on a list to want a copy like reserve one or say hey i want one?

There will be a reserve period starting at the end of the month where you can pre-pay for a copy. This will give me a basic idea as to how many copies I should order. I will definitely order extras so others who don't want to pre-pay will still be able to get a copy.

And I would genuinely appreciate it if nobody started copying the compilation and gave it away for free. This is a fundraising venture for the forums that will help take the burden of paying for this site off of me, as well a putting money into a pot to pay for prizes in the contests we hold throughout the year. Basically, the money generated by this benefits you guys. :D

[Hauntiholik]

A paper case is fine by me.

[DeathTouch]

I perf the plastic ones but I can always use my own. But is there a way to get sleeves if we are using plastic.

[Zombie-F]

I perf the plastic ones but I can always use my own. But is there a way to get sleeves if we are using plastic.

Here's the thing with the case insert sleeves... they're what costs most out of the case and sleeve. The cases are only like $0.40 each... the sleeves are like $2.50 each.

I guess what could be done is a sleeve could be designed and be made available to download and print yourself, same as the way the Propmaster sets have done in the past.

[Sickie Ickie]

I don't think most of us would mind that at all Zombie-F

[slimy]

I was going to vote for the sleeves, but I like the download version.

Majority rules in the situation. Giving those of us that want one, access to a sleeve is okay too.

[slightlymad]

Paper for me and a downloaded cover is cool

[NickG]

I'm find with the paper sleeve and a download insert.

[Zombie-F]

I'll let this issue brew a little longer, but it looks like I'll be mailing the discs to you in paper sleeves and if you want to buy a case and print a case insert yourself, that will be available for you to do.

Now I just gotta get a sleeve designed for the thing. :p

[Fangs]

Paper sleeve with the download works for me too! :> I can't wait to see it!

[Zombie-F]

Since I didn't get any bites on help designing the DVD case art, I came up with something today using some of the images from my haunt last year.

Here, I'll sneak in a preview of the DVD cover for you all. I'm no graphic artist, but I think I did pretty good. I may get another submission or two before tomorrow, so don't go printing this just yet as I may need to add in one more entry to the back.

http://www.hauntforum.com/images/dvd/2006/2006_dvd_cover.png

[Dr Morbius]

WOW! That looks terrific! Who says you're not a graphic artist? You gots the eye for layout. Looks professional.

[Otaku]

Looks good to ME, Z-F!

[Ghostess]

Looks great ZF!