Scarecrow Showdown Discussion

[Zombie-F]

This is the thread for the discussion of our third challenge for the year 2006... the Scarecrow Square Off. The focus of this contest is building a scarecrow.

I'm looking for some input as to what rules and guidelines we should have for this one. I'm thinking a price limitation (as always) to keep a level playing field, maybe a size limitation for the scarecrow's post (how much of it sticks out of the ground) and possibly one other limitation to make this a bit of a challenge. It may just be a price and size limit this time. I need some ideas from you guys as to what other limitations we could possibly impose to make this challenging.

Feel free to post all your thoughts and ideas for consideration and then I'll formulate the rules thread on July 16th. This thread will remain open through the duration of the contest much like the thread for the previous two challenges did.

The contest will be slated to come to a close on September 30th and will be our last challenge of the building season.

[Sickie Ickie]

Hey, I'm excited! I'm going to sit back and watch the posts here and maybe comment on something when the more experienced people suggest things.

[krough]

Ill start off with

1. Cost no more than 50$

2. Must exceed 8 ft in height

[Front Yard Fright]

i agree on the price limit. but i don't know about the post limit. my parents don't want any holes in our yard! also, you should have it so the people have to make the head. so nobody just throws one of those fake foam pumpkins that are already carved.
... just my input

[heresjohnny]

Might I suggest some of the rules that used to be posted at Skull and Bones before they cancelled thier contest.

1. Contact to the ground is limited to a maximum of 4" by 4", which may be driven into the ground or attached to a flat, plain base which will hold the post upright.

2. Must be able to survive outside in the elements for 72 hours.

Myself, I would prefer a minimum height of 6', and a maximum cost of $30. If I am missing an expense that requires a higher money limit please let me know.

[Bram Bones]

I don't really see a problem with people using pre-cut foam pumpkins.
I think creativity will be judged accordingly in the end so let all be welcome.
And I think an 8 foot height limit is a bit too much. Five feet and up?

[TearyThunder]

Well if we go with a maximun less than $50.00 I believe I am out of this one. The scarecrow I am working on is running me about $45 give or take.

[Front Yard Fright]

yeah TT the scarecrow i was thinking about was going to have a bucky in it, and those are like 80 bucks or so? so i'm out :p i might come up with another idea though.

[heresjohnny]

Previous contest have had a money limit to keep it in the range of everone's pocket book. I don't mind $50 maximum all that much if everyone else is okay with that. I wouldn't want to go higher.

[krough]

I don't really see a problem with people using pre-cut foam pumpkins.
I think creativity will be judged accordingly in the end so let all be welcome.
And I think an 8 foot height limit is a bit too much. Five feet and up?
Agreed it might be a bit too much, But I was trying to add to the "challenge" part. Although building something that large in my shop is nearly impossible, I'd have to build it outside. LOL

[Zombie-F]

i agree on the price limit. but i don't know about the post limit. my parents don't want any holes in our yard! also, you should have it so the people have to make the head. so nobody just throws one of those fake foam pumpkins that are already carved.
... just my input

You don't necessarily need to drive a post into the ground. You could attach it with rope to something already in the ground (like a tree stump) or even design a scarecrow similar to this one (http://www.pumpkinrot.com/images/Roots4.jpg) that has a plywood base and is free-standing.

Might I suggest some of the rules that used to be posted at Skull and Bones before they cancelled thier contest.

1. Contact to the ground is limited to a maximum of 4" by 4", which may be driven into the ground or attached to a flat, plain base which will hold the post upright.

2. Must be able to survive outside in the elements for 72 hours.

Ok, I can deal with those. These two things will be part of the rules.

I don't really see a problem with people using pre-cut foam pumpkins.
I think creativity will be judged accordingly in the end so let all be welcome.
And I think an 8 foot height limit is a bit too much. Five feet and up?

I'd have to say the use of commercially available materials (masks, pumpkins, etc) will be acceptable because Bram Bones is right... the judging will definitely go to the more creative entries and that alone will (likely) deter the use of pre-fabricated heads, hands, etc...

As for the height limit, I'd have to say perhaps no taller than 6' would be sufficient. I shall wait for more input on this point.

Well if we go with a maximun less than $50.00 I believe I am out of this one. The scarecrow I am working on is running me about $45 give or take.

I'll wait for a few more to give some input on the price limit, but what in the process of building a scarecrow is that expensive?

[heresjohnny]

Ill start off with

1. Cost no more than 50$

2. Must exceed 8 ft in height

um, krough like em tall

[krough]

2. Must be able to survive outside in the elements for 72 hours.

How can this be verified? Seems like my elements may be very different than someone elses, and is largely open to interpretation. How do we measure this?

[TearyThunder]

I'll wait for a few more to give some input on the price limit, but what in the process of building a scarecrow is that expensive?

I am currently working on finishing a 12ft scarecrow made of PVC

[heresjohnny]

As I recall the 4" by 4" limit was to eliminate Munster Mud. DOn't know if we care about that or not. We also need to decide on animation and internal lighting.

[krough]

um, krough like em tall

Trying to add to the "challenge" part

[Zombie-F]

As I recall the 4" by 4" limit was to eliminate Munster Mud. DOn't know if we care about that or not. We also need to decide on animation and internal lighting.

I'd have to go no with animation again, but the use of internal lighting could create some interesting entries so I'll say "yea" to the use of lighting.

[Zombie-F]

Trying to add to the "challenge" part

So you're saying a minimum height requrement as opposed to a height limit? That could be interesting. Maybe I'll make it "at least 6 feet tall" instead of a "six foot limit."

And for the price limit, if nobody objects to $50, I'll allow that.

[krough]

Yes a mnimum height requirement. Go 7', 6' is normal LOL

[heresjohnny]

2. Must be able to survive outside in the elements for 72 hours.

How can this be verified? Seems like my elements may be very different than someone elses, and is largely open to interpretation. How do we measure this?

Good question. And good point. I believe this rule was to enforce the construction of a scarecrow that could be considered functional, but I am not set on this as a rule. The only way I know to enforce it would be the honor system. Myself I would probably put mine outside just when the next hurricane hits Florida.

[DeathTouch]

Well most scarecrows that I have seen have been on poles. Does a scarecrow have to be on a pole to be a scarecrow? How do you define a scarecrow as compared to a static prop? If you know what I mean. What is its characteristic?

[Zombie-F]

Good question. And good point. I believe this rule was to enforce the construction of a scarecrow that could be considered functional, but I am not set on this as a rule. The only way I know to enforce it would be the honor system. Myself I would probably put mine outside just when the next hurricane hits Florida.


Good point. Verification would be impossible unless I flew out and watched each entry sit in the rain and wind for three days. That's not happening. I'll scratch that one off.

[Zombie-F]

Well most scarecrows that I have seen have been on poles. Does a scarecrow have to be on a pole to be a scarecrow? How do you define a scarecrow as compared to a static prop? If you know what I mean. What is its characteristic?

Another good point. Do we really consider "Roots" to be a scarecrow since it resides on a piece of plywood? Perhaps not.

[krough]

Well most scarecrows that I have seen have been on poles. Does a scarecrow have to be on a pole to be a scarecrow? How do you define a scarecrow as compared to a static prop? If you know what I mean. What is its characteristic?

If we use websters definition, I think definition 1 and 2 apply

scare·crow ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skârkr)
n.
1. A crude image or effigy of a person set up in a field to scare birds away from growing crops.
2. Something frightening but not dangerous.
3. A gaunt or haggard person.

[DeathTouch]

So would you consider what I did last year a scarecrow? Picture below.

http://www.deathtouchhorrors.com/pic/2005f.jpg

[krough]

yes I would DT, yours actually meets all 3 definitions I think

Now I question my Scarecrow from last year though

[Zombie-F]

So would you consider what I did last year a scarecrow? Picture below.

http://www.deathtouchhorrors.com/pic/2005f.jpg

Sure I would. Should previously built creations be considered?

Also, should we go with the aforementioned dictionary definition or stick with the "traditional" figure on a pole image of a scarecrow? The dictionary definition would sure make for some more interesting entries, but at the same time, some of the creations could be so far from what one conders to be a scarecrow that it couldd be more like a monster mud competition.

[DeathTouch]

Well, I always like to think out of the box. A scarecrow was designed to be placed in the cornfield to scare the crows. I don’t think the scarecrow has to be humanoid to be considered a scarecrow. But to be considered a scarecrow it must have some height to it. So that the crows could see it in the field.

[krough]

I would say no on previously built creations.

Personally I like the dictionary definitions. If someone can make a scarecrow from MM so be it. If we go with the dictionary definition make it something like
Scarecrow: A crude image or effigy of a person set up in a field to scare birds away from growing crops, that is intended to be frightening but not dangerous.

I think the term "crude image or effigy" gives a heck of a lot of latitude design wise and is a good thing

[DeathTouch]

I wasn't planning on submitting that one anyway. I have another one on the back burner.

[TearyThunder]

So would mine be considered a new creation since I have been working on it but haven't finished it?

[Zombie-F]

I would say no on previously built creations.

Personally I like the dictionary definitions. If someone can make a scarecrow from MM so be it. If we go with the dictionary definition make it something like
Scarecrow: A crude image or effigy of a person set up in a field to scare birds away from growing crops, that is intended to be frightening but not dangerous.

I think the term "crude image or effigy" gives a heck of a lot of latitude design wise and is a good thing

Ok, we shall use that as our definition for all entries then. I shall be the sole arbitrator as to what does and doesn't meet that definition, just to make sure nobody slaps some monster mud on a Bucky to make a grim reaper that they consider to be a scarecrow.

[Zombie-F]

So would mine be considered a new creation since I have been working on it but haven't finished it?

Yes.

[DeathTouch]

Ok, I have a stupid question. Lets say I take one of those big blowmold pumpkins that you see at Halloween ever year, you know the ones that light up, and paper mache that. Put some paint on it. Would you consider that a scarecrow?

[krough]

I would assume there will still be a "contact point" with the ground type rule, and a height minimum or maximum. Right?

[Zombie-F]

Ok, I have a stupid question. Lets say I take one of those big blowmold pumpkins that you see at Halloween ever year, you know the ones that light up, and paper mache that. Put some paint on it. Would you consider that a scarecrow?

Sure. Like I said before, any commercially available materials for use as a head, hands, etc will be acceptable. However, I would imagine most of the voting will go to people who are a little more creative than using store-bought stuff.

[Zombie-F]

I would assume there will still be a "contact point" with the ground type rule, and a height minimum or maximum. Right?

I think the aforementioned 4" x 4" contact with the ground rule and a 6' height MINIMUM will be sufficient.

[krough]

Wow this is shaping up to be interesting.
Must....... resist urge ..............to enter contest

[Zombie-F]

I also think starting with this contest, nobody should give any "previews" of their entries. It seems like this sort of thing scares people off from participating. I shall also not reveal any of the approved entries until the end of the day on September 30th.

[Zombie-F]

Wow this is shaping up to be interesting.
Must....... resist urge ..............to enter contest

Resistance is futile.

Crap. Did I just type that? I'm such a freakin' geek.

[heresjohnny]

I can see your point in not showing progress, but I also think that is a lot of the fun also. When amazing entries start to unfold in the thread, it inspires me to try and do more. I think this group is very good at encouraging all entries. But thats just my opinion.

[Bram Bones]

I support the "secret development" of the scarecrows.
Let em all just suddenly appear on the due date.
It'd make it more interesting that way. With some great anticipation.

[Zombie-F]

I can see your point in not showing progress, but I also think that is a lot of the fun also. When amazing entries start to unfold in the thread, it inspires me to try and do more. I think this group is very good at encouraging all entries. But thats just my opinion.

While that is true, I saw A LOT of people in the last round say "I'm not entering. There's no way I could beat so-and-so's entry." I think more people would participate if there wasn't anything there for them to be intimidated by.

[Front Yard Fright]

i agree zombie

[Zombie-F]

Ok, here's a peek at the rules list I've compiled based on the input in this thread thus far:

These are the rules for the "Scarecrow Showdown" challenge. As time progresses, these rules may be ammended to clarify any unclear rules as well as address any concerns that arise during the course of this contest.

Please read all of these rules carefully and post any questions or concerns you may have to this thread (http://www.hauntforum.com/showthread.php?t=2695) and it will be addressed.

Scarecrow limitations:

Your scarecrow must be defined as follows: A crude image or effigy of a person set up in a field to scare birds away from growing crops
Scarecrow must be of a height equal to or greater than than 72" tall. One of your photographs must show the entire scarecrow laid out on the ground with a ruler/tape measure next to it detailing the size.
No animations will be allowed.
Internal lighting of the scarecrow is acceptable.
Contact to the ground is limited to a maximum of 4" x 4", which may be driven into the ground or attached to a flat, plain base which will hold the post upright.
Total cost to build the stone must be $50 or less.


Rules:

One entry per person.
An entrant MUST have at least 30 new posts on the forums between July 16th, 2006 and September 30th, 2006.
Permanently banned members and members temporarily banned between the start and end of the contest are not eligible to enter.
Entrants MUST post their entry in the form of a new thread in this forum. The new thread must contain the details of your tombstone and a picture of it as well (link okay).
The deadline for the entry is September 30th, 2006. Your entry must appear here before the end of the day on September 30th (EDT).
Details must include a brief summary of how the scarecrow was made and a list of supplies used. How-to's are welcome but not required.
The list of supplies must specify the cost of each item, and the cost must total $50 or less. You are allowed to go over by up to $2.
Supply prices must be reasonable - Using that Bucky skeleton that someone sold you for $3 isn't fair, but if you found some scrap lumber or foam in a dumpster or via Freecycle, that can be claimed as free. Use your head and some common sense here.
Expendable and quantity items such as glue, paint, screws, spray foam etc... can be pro-rated.
Shipping costs to obtain materials shall not be included in your total cost to build. Feel free to obtain materials from eBay or online vendors and only count the cost of the item towards the total.
All new threads (entries) in this forum will be moderated by Zombie-F and will NOT appear before October 1st. This is to prevent entries from deterring members from entering based on how good/bad the existing entries appear to be. You will be notified via PM if your entry does not meet the requirements.
On October 1st, all entries will be revealed and a poll will be created with a 7 day period of voting.
All non-newbie members (10 posts or more) may vote for up to three entries during the voting period. This ensures diversity in the voting.
Contest participants may not vote for their own entry. Vote for someone else's item as a courtesy.
All votes will have their ip addresses checked. If a user appears to have registered numerous accounts to spike the vote, they will be disqualified.


While we're not allowing animations in the prop this time around, it is ok to use internal lighting with your entries. You may even use external lighting to create "ambiance" for your entry photograpy. Get creative with the actual photography... photograph your entry near the edge of a forest, in a field, etc.

I'm pretty sure this will be what gets put into the rules thread. I'll give this a few more days to fester in discussion before I finalize it.

[ruafraid]

I also think starting with this contest, nobody should give any "previews" of their entries. It seems like this sort of thing scares people off from participating. I shall also not reveal any of the approved entries until the end of the day on September 30th.

Zombie I disagree with this decision. I am not 100% convinced it "scared" people off I think that was just an excuse not to participate. I think the threads that ran with each one had a lot of informaition,building techniques, comoradary, and just a plain ole good time discussing their creations. I know I enjoyed them and learned a great deal from it all. My 2 cents worth.

[DeathTouch]

I was wondering zombie, is there a way that you could allow the people who just submitted their entry to see what has already been submitted, but not allowing anyone else?

[heresjohnny]

I like that idea DT, that may be a good compromise.

[Zombie-F]

I was wondering zombie, is there a way that you could allow the people who just submitted their entry to see what has already been submitted, but not allowing anyone else?

I'll look into a way to do this.

However, if everyone feels strongly against this decision, I could allow previews and discussion in this discussion thread (as previously done), but could still hold back the final entries until the 1st of October.

[Bram Bones]

keeping the entries' progress hidden is a great idea.
After the first tombstone was shown, I decided against building one.

better to imagine what you're up against than actually seeing it unfold.

a discussion or how-to can be done after it ends.

I think seeing how a scarecrow is getting constructed takes the magic out of it. very anticlimactic once it's "officially" revealed.

[slightlymad]

I like the idea of keeping entries secret it may encourage more entries and more diverse selection.

[IshWitch]

While that is true, I saw A LOT of people in the last round say "I'm not entering. There's no way I could beat so-and-so's entry." I think more people would participate if there wasn't anything there for them to be intimidated by.
I totally agree. Especially since I would be one to fall in that category!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Amen! contest on the way!!!

Only thing that I might add is the dead line.
I would like to shorten it.
Lets have Aug. 30th or Sept 1st...for this one and we'll have time for the grand finale
hosted for 30- 40 days, just for Halloween?

[DeathTouch]

Damn Fe that is cutting it close to my Christmas stuff. And I am charge of a Christmas Prop cotest too. It ends just around there. Now I will have to move my but.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

just lose those briefs, you'll move faster! lol

[DeathTouch]

just lose those briefs, you'll move faster! lol

I am going to a Christmas type Ironstock in sept, I wonder if they would like my underwear too. LOL.

[Hellrazor]

I also think starting with this contest, nobody should give any "previews" of their entries. It seems like this sort of thing scares people off from participating. I shall also not reveal any of the approved entries until the end of the day on September 30th.

I agree totally with this rule. I know I was going to enter the tombstone contest and got scared off by Deathtouches entry. Not to be a crybaby about it but felt pretty inferior. Im sure Im not the only one. It was nice to see them on the other hand to raise the bar....So I dont know if its a good or bad thing...

[Hellrazor]

I'll look into a way to do this.

However, if everyone feels strongly against this decision, I could allow previews and discussion in this discussion thread (as previously done), but could still hold back the final entries until the 1st of October.

Perhaps discussions only and no pics until Oct 1 might be a good idea, an explanation but no pics. I dont know if thats been said?

[ScareFX]

I would say no on previously built creations...

I agree with Krough on previously built creations. Was there a decision made on that?

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I am going to a Christmas type Ironstock in sept, I wonder if they would like my underwear too. LOL.
They should, it's almost becoming LENGEND!

[Dr Morbius]

Well, it seems to me that the progress pics added ALOT to the discussion thread. Despite the progress pics, we had 13 entries last time around. That's a healthy number, and only a small handful actually said they were intimadated. I think the discussion threads would be boring if we couldn't show and tell, and I know I learned a thing or two from seeing pics of the progress of the stones from the last contest.

[Dr Morbius]

Would Jesus on the cross be considered a Scarecrow?

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I got quit a few emails about being intimidated about the people on this forum.
That's really cool 'cause of the talent, but if you want more people to participate, well...

Ok, here goes... We get 15 people to participate this time I'll put up an even better prize....With Z's approval

Posting a drawing would be ok, just not how it's looking. Not even on other forums!!!
I watch most of them!!!

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Would Jesus on the cross be considered a Scarecrow?
In my book, yes.

[Dr Morbius]

I got quit a few emails about being intimidated about the people on this forum.
That's really cool 'cause of the talent, but if you want more people to participate, well...

Posting a drawing would be ok, just not how it's looking. Not even on other forums!!!
I watch most of them!!!
Well, I didn't know about your E-mails...so if that many people confided in you about not entering, then so be it! No pictures? Fine.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Hey, you're not pouting are you?

[Dr Morbius]

Heck no! I just think the discussion thread will slow down alot is all. It's just my opinion.:D

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Discussion is good!
It's the talent here that scares most from entering.
Few can create, many more can copy.

Others will buy.

That's kinda blunt, isn't it?

[Dr Morbius]

I understand. But don't say I didn't warn ya! LOL!

[Zombie-F]

Amen! contest on the way!!!

Only thing that I might add is the dead line.
I would like to shorten it.
Lets have Aug. 30th or Sept 1st...for this one and we'll have time for the grand finale
hosted for 30- 40 days, just for Halloween?
I'd rather not run one leading right up to Halloween. I like to enjoy my month of October by leisurely setting up my yard and taking in as many local haunted attractions as possible. It's a busy time for me and I doubt I'd have the proper time (and patience) to run a contest with the respect it would deserve.

[Zombie-F]

We'll consider this round an experiment then. If we wind up seeing more entries by disallowing the posting of pictures, then we can consider it a success. If we wind up with about the same amount of entries, then for the next build (after Halloween), we can go back to the "old" way.

I too saw a good many complaints of not wanting to enter due to intimidation both in chat as well as in a few PMs.

Also, we will only accept NEW builds for entries.

[BloodyRose]

Hey, you're not pouting are you?

you should have seen his boo boo lip quivering, lol.

[Zombie-F]

Ok, here goes... We get 15 people to participate this time I'll put up an even better prize....With Z's approval

Whatever prize you are willing to put up is acceptable with me! The problem is, we need to announce the prize early on to bait people into doing this, so it's hard to know if 15 people will enter. Being 19 people voted for Scarecrows, one would assume that we'll get at least 19 entries, but I have a feeling that number will be a little bit less than that.

I do already have a third place prize donation from Monster Guts in the form of a mini-strobe light (found at the bottom of this page (http://monsterguts.com/lighting.htm).

If I can't scare up a second prize, I can definitely put up another HauntForum shirt for this round as there is quite a bit of money in the coffers at the moment for such a thing.

[Sickie Ickie]

I saw two rules that sound conflicting?

"The deadline for the entry is September 30th, 2006. Your entry must appear here before the end of the day on September 30th (EDT)."

and

"All new threads (entries) in this forum will be moderated by Zombie-F and will NOT appear before October 1st. "

BTW I'm glad to hear that animations are not allowed. Simply because I'm still learning how to do them! LOL

As far as the pictures as they came in for the contest...well...that's the reason I entered. My sense of competition came from seeing more entries come in, and gave me motivation to complete mine- so much so I raced to meet the 30 post minimum in a week so I could start and finish my stone.

I DO understand how it could frighten some people away, but at the same time it spurs on others. Kind of the glass is half full or half empty thang.

I know a decision has already been made, but I just wanted to say why I had incentive to do the tombstone for the first competition.

[Zombie-F]

I saw two rules that sound conflicting?

"The deadline for the entry is September 30th, 2006. Your entry must appear here before the end of the day on September 30th (EDT)."

and

"All new threads (entries) in this forum will be moderated by Zombie-F and will NOT appear before October 1st. "

I see no conflict there. Your entry must be in the forum by the end of the day on the 30th. I will then make them visible to everyone on the 1st so they can vote on them. I think I can choose some better wording to clarify it a bit.

Perhaps I should make the first line say:
"The deadline for the entry is September 30th, 2006. Your entry must be posted to the forum before the end of the day on September 30th (EDT)."

and the second part could read:
"All new threads (entries) in this forum will be moderated by Zombie-F and will not appear publicly to forum members before October 1st."

[Dr Morbius]

What about posting links to your own website with pics? Will that be allowed?

[Sickie Ickie]

A bit better. :-D

[Zombie-F]

What about posting links to your own website with pics? Will that be allowed?

That would depend on if curiosity wouldn't overcome someone to look and then be scared off.

[heresjohnny]

You're up early. I can live with not posting progress pics on the Forum. I think we should be able to do what we want on our on sites.

[Hellrazor]

I think somebodys idea of posting a drawing is a great idea, It will fill your need Dr., for posting a pic and somebody like myself will not feel insecure enough to continue the process.

Im not trying to be a whiner, and I think Im speaking on behalf of many many people. Dr, Krough, Heres Johnny, DeathTouch, you are all very very very talented peeps. Its almost impossible to compete. In reality, you 4 plus a few others should do contests on your own, cuz your on a different level than the rest of us...
Also, I think that it would be interesting to wait and see the unveiling.

Like Zombie said too, it would be interesting to see the response. What one project without pics beforehand? Its just a slight change and change can be good sometimes.

As far as links, that too takes away from the "secrecy" of your project. I personally, was kinda saddened by the early unveilings and frankly Deaththouches (for example) wasnt as new to me when it came time for the vote. That had a lot to do with my vote, I was bored with it.

Im just wondering why everyone always has to have a "loop hole" and cant wait until the Unveiling on October 1 - Hey it might be fun!

Just my opinion!

[DeathTouch]

I think somebodys idea of posting a drawing is a great idea, It will fill your need Dr., for posting a pic and somebody like myself will not feel insecure enough to continue the process.

Im not trying to be a whiner, and I think Im speaking on behalf of many many people. Dr, Krough, Heres Johnny, DeathTouch, you are all very very very talented peeps. Its almost impossible to compete. In reality, you 4 plus a few others should do contests on your own, cuz your on a different level than the rest of us...
Also, I think that it would be interesting to wait and see the unveiling.

Like Zombie said too, it would be interesting to see the response. What one project without pics beforehand? Its just a slight change and change can be good sometimes.

As far as links, that too takes away from the "secrecy" of your project. I personally, was kinda saddened by the early unveilings and frankly Deaththouches (for example) wasnt as new to me when it came time for the vote. That had a lot to do with my vote, I was bored with it.

Im just wondering why everyone always has to have a "loop hole" and cant wait until the Unveiling on October 1 - Hey it might be fun!

Just my opinion!

I can see what you are saying about showing your stuff to early in game. People get used to it and its magic seems to fade. But I think me; personally, it really helps me more than hurting me due to recent events that affected me personally. Maybe not as many people voted for it because they saw my tombstone 20 thousand times on my blog, but I feel if a prop is truly good, you should be able to look at 20,000 times plus 1 and still get that tingle about it. And if you do, then I have made a good prop. If not, then I need to go back to the drawing board. I bet come next year, you will see hereJohnny’s tombstone and still get that same tingle about it and you have seen it 20 times. That is why he won and I didn’t.

Now about not wanting to enter due to other great prop makers. Yes, there are some great prop makers here at the forum but you don’t need to fear from them, learn from them. That is how we become great in the first place. Everyone here started at the bottom. Even if you have talent or not to begin with, you still start at the bottom. Case in point, I am going to pick on Krough (sorry Krough) but I will use him as an example. When I first met Krough I told him how wonderful his stuff was. Now everyone knows that Krough is good, but at the time he didn’t think so. I am not sure if Krough had a lot of complements before me, but he really thought I was joking when I said his stuff was good. Now, he knows. It took a lot of beating it into him, but now he knows. Wouldn't it be sad if Krough never entered a contest because he thought his stuff stucked. Yea it would. But now he knows his stuff is good. And one day you will too. So the best thing Hellrazor is participating in these contest with everyone will gain your confidence in your abilities. The only thing stopping you is you!

[Hellrazor]

Wow Deathtouch, that brought a tear to my eye....

Now Im not being a whiner, like I said before.... I know I lack talent but I love doing the stuff I do. I actually have good self esteem so my lack of talent doesnt bother me that much cuz I still build. I know that I am not the only one that feels this way and Im putting my 2 cents in for those who dont want to or are too uncomfortable to.

I cant totally see why you guys want to post pics, If I had no intention on entering, I would love to see all the pics as they unfold cuz that is fun. But since I am feeling the urge to enter (guess I have to now after all of this) I personally, along with other less unfortunate talented souls, would like to have a level playing field, just this once to see what happens.

I was just saying, it might be nice to see what comes out of all of this if there is nothing to compare to in regards to pics...

At the end of the contest, everyone will have their own threads, kudos will be made and questions will be asked and I bet the threads will be as long as with the last contest. There could be pics saved up to do a walk through, there is only what, 2 months difference?

I still think sketches are a good idea so you get an idea, but not an actual pic. it will take away from the magestical content of the scarecrow and the contest.... as well

So not that I agree or disagree, again, only my opinion an my humble self esteem talking.

[Bram Bones]

I'm surprised at the people who want to show off their prop during the building process or post links to thier own sites. We're talking about waiting two months! It's almost as though you don't trust your own creative instincts to fly solo.

As far as being intimidated, I can understand the fear of feeling inferior to someone with more experience, but in the end, you should be building the prop for:
1. Yourself
2. The Contest


And a sketch is the same as a preview. Wait till the end. Prove you have confidence in your own design.

[Michigal]

This may not go over too well, but what about like in other contests, if you won you're ineligible for the next contest? This way, the same three or four people won't always get the prizes, and may even stop the intimidation factor. Just because the progress isn't being shown, doesn't mean that the same three or four people aren't going to win, just by the force of their combined talent.
When it was time to vote, I personally voted for those tombstones that I would have had a chance of actually making. No way could I duplicate the awesome work of the top four finishers.

Just throwing this in for discussion, as I know I won't be entering this time as the rules stand. I'd have no chance whatsoever of getting any votes if I had to compete against the likes of Dr. M, here'sjohnny and krough. Let alone win. Others may feel the same way.

[Zombie-F]

You're up early. I can live with not posting progress pics on the Forum. I think we should be able to do what we want on our on sites.

I could live with that as long as you don't actively post links to it here.

Look at it this way... in a pumpkin-growing contest, competing farmers aren't very likely to be sharing their progress, tips, secrets with each other until after the contest is over.

And like I said, if this experiment works, we'll stick with it in future builds, but I will definitely drop it for future builds if I feel it failed.

[DeathTouch]

I'm surprised at the people who want to show off their prop during the building process or post links to thier own sites. We're talking about waiting two months! It's almost as though you don't trust your own creative instincts to fly solo.

As far as being intimidated, I can understand the fear of feeling inferior to someone with more experience, but in the end, you should be building the prop for:
1. Yourself
2. The Contest


And a sketch is the same as a preview. Wait till the end. Prove you have confidence in your own design.


Too true Bram.

I guess I get a high sensation posting pictures and getting reviews. Sometimes I feel that my prop isn't headed towards what or where I want it to go. And ,yes, maybe my prop would be different if I didn't get the reviews I got. But the positive feedback I get promotes me to do better and create more props. I think that if I didn't get any feedback, I would probably slump off a little. So that is my main reason why I like to post pictures. But like you said, it might be better if we didn't. Lately it has been a little harder putting out props without a little feedback. Do you know what I saying?

[Hellrazor]

This may not go over too well, but what about like in other contests, if you won you're ineligible for the next contest? This way, the same three or four people won't always get the prizes, and may even stop the intimidation factor.

Hi, I dont think I can agree with this. I would hate to see anyone out of the running just because their last prop rocked. Thats why we do this is to see the competition and to get better and better as we go along. In theory, its a good idea, but I wouldnt want Krough, DT or the others not to make a prop. Im not going to enter to win, Im going to enter to see what I can accomplish.

The only reason I am arguing the no photo rule is to get more people to see what they can accomplish too.

Who knows, we may have a few Kroughs out there (sorry Krough but you are the king and with the king comes responsibility and exposure LOL)

Again,,, my opinion and in no way reflects the opinions of others :)

[DeathTouch]

Wow Deathtouch, that brought a tear to my eye....

Now Im not being a whiner, like I said before.... I know I lack talent but I love doing the stuff I do. I actually have good self esteem so my lack of talent doesnt bother me that much cuz I still build. I know that I am not the only one that feels this way and Im putting my 2 cents in for those who dont want to or are too uncomfortable to.

I cant totally see why you guys want to post pics, If I had no intention on entering, I would love to see all the pics as they unfold cuz that is fun. But since I am feeling the urge to enter (guess I have to now after all of this) I personally, along with other less unfortunate talented souls, would like to have a level playing field, just this once to see what happens.

I was just saying, it might be nice to see what comes out of all of this if there is nothing to compare to in regards to pics...

At the end of the contest, everyone will have their own threads, kudos will be made and questions will be asked and I bet the threads will be as long as with the last contest. There could be pics saved up to do a walk through, there is only what, 2 months difference?

I still think sketches are a good idea so you get an idea, but not an actual pic. it will take away from the magestical content of the scarecrow and the contest.... as well

So not that I agree or disagree, again, only my opinion an my humble self esteem talking.

Hellrazor, you are not a whiner. You just want like everyone here want, to get better at building and making props. And I think your props are great so don't say that you don't have talent.

[Hauntiholik]

a 6' height MINIMUM will be sufficient.
I'm still catching up on this thread. Thanks for setting the minimum of 6'.
My HOA is a PITA and structures (yup - dumb huh) that exceed 6' have to be approved. My other concern is that my HOA might really bend the rules to consider a scarecrow a "sign" since those aren't allowed either unless I'm selling my house. Like I said PITA! They hate me.

[NecroBones]

Dang, you guys are quick. This thread started after I last looked yesterday, and I come back this morning and it's on page 9... yikes!

Anyway, just wante to put my $0.02 in... I'd like to participate this time around. Just didn't have time for the tombstone. But where I live, I have NO OPEN GROUND, just a concrete driveway and steps. I'm not going to build a scarecrow I can't use, so mine will be designed to be lashed to the railing on the steps (basically a ground-post design, like most, without a base). Currently it looks like your rules will disallow that... unless you get very literal about "contact with the ground" rather than "contact with a supporting structure"... :)

Just want to make sure everyone's OK with that. If necessary, I can build it the full 6 feet above the rail... making it something like 9 feet total. Man, my HOA is going to freak.

One question though-- How are we measuring total height? Including the arms if they go way above the head?

[NecroBones]

I'm still catching up on this thread. Thanks for setting the minimum of 6'.
My HOA is a PITA and structures (yup - dumb huh) that exceed 6' have to be approved. My other concern is that my HOA might really bend the rules to consider a scarecrow a "sign" since those aren't allowed either unless I'm selling my house. Like I said PITA! They hate me.

I feel your pain. I think I can get away with it if the scarecrow is only out for a day or two. Mine's a PITA too! They've ordered me to remove foam tombstones from inside my windows just because it was January. :)

[Hellrazor]

Whats HOA? and PITA?

[Hauntiholik]

They've ordered me to remove foam tombstones from inside my windows just because it was January. :)
I DARE them to make me take my haloween countdown prop out of my front window (which goes on display in 10 days I might add. Wooohooo!)
My neighbors house will be going up for sale and I want to attract the right kind of neighbor :)

Back to the thread,
minimum of 6'
no animatronics
$50 max

What about lights? Was that discussed? I want to use LEDs if it's allowed.

[Hauntiholik]

Whats HOA? and PITA?
HOA = Home Owners Association
PITA = Pain In The ASS

[Hellrazor]

Im lucky then, we dont have any HOA here but there are many PITAs around. ...LOL

[TearyThunder]

Ok after reading all the posts since last night I can't help but wonder really why the pics matter. Like some have said it's only 2 months but on the other hand, does it really matter if the progress is shown or not. If you are intimidated or whatever how will you feel once the reveals are made when yours isn't as "good as others"(you own words)? What's next......You see all the finished projects a say well so and so's is better than mine....I loose. Then get upset over it?

Come on people! This is a contest but who really cares about the prizes honestly. I thought it was show that we are in the spirit of Halloween. I know I am no where as good as Krough, Dr. M, HJ, etc. but still want to enter because I am proud of what I make regardless of what anyone else can do. I also could care less on what anyone else thinks about my entry because I like it and am proud of my accomplishment.

Just my .02

[Hauntiholik]

I don't care about posting the pics one way or another.
If seeing the pics bothers people then I like the idea of just adding the link so if people CHOOSE to go look at them they can.

I really want to enter this contest (time permitting). The tombstone contest was intimidating at first but I mostly didn't enter for personal reasons.

Don't worry FE - the scarecrow I just bought is WAAAAAY over the $50 limit so I can't enter him :)

[Dr Morbius]

This may not go over too well, but what about like in other contests, if you won you're ineligible for the next contest? This way, the same three or four people won't always get the prizes, and may even stop the intimidation factor. Just because the progress isn't being shown, doesn't mean that the same three or four people aren't going to win, just by the force of their combined talent.
When it was time to vote, I personally voted for those tombstones that I would have had a chance of actually making. No way could I duplicate the awesome work of the top four finishers.

Just throwing this in for discussion, as I know I won't be entering this time as the rules stand. I'd have no chance whatsoever of getting any votes if I had to compete against the likes of Dr. M, here'sjohnny and krough. Let alone win. Others may feel the same way.
I feel partly responsible for the new no pic rule, as my name is mentioned among the intimidators. I didn't enter the contests to intimidate or belittle anyone, and it really hurts that some people won't enter if I and the other top builders enter, as suggested that we not be allowed because we won. I don't want any hard feelings, so I am out of this one. This has nothing to do with allowing pics or not, I'm fine with that. I hope you guys have fun, I know I did the last two times.

[Bram Bones]

such drama.
who knew a scarecrow contest could be so beguiling!

[TearyThunder]

I don't think you should not participate Dr. M!! If your creative juices are flowing then GO FOR IT!!

You are one of the many inspirations for me and I would hate for all the negativity to get your spirit (halloween and otherwise) down.

[Dr Morbius]

such drama.
who knew a scarecrow contest could be so beguiling!
I know what you mean, BB. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

[Hauntiholik]

Don't back out Dr. M! I don't believe that anyone should be excluded from the contest. It will all come down to the voting. Don't blame the entrants.

I would hope that people aren't playing favorites when voting. Everyone should be allowed to play and it shouldn't be about winning a prize.

[krough]

<DRAMA>
I compete to have fun. I dont do it to intimidate or belittle others. The reason I post pics is to get feedback and to help other people. I even posted my painting technique for my stone way before the contest was over. Sure winning is nice but for me these contests are not about winning, they are about sharing ideas, and concepts. If you are competing solely to win you should go do something else because a shirt or a talking skull isnt worth your time and effort. I feel fortunate to have won and thank you all for your votes, but if my participation limits the potential numbers of folks who will enter then I will stand aside in this and future contests. So Like Dr M. I will not be competing in this contest.

One of the great things about the haunt community is the lack of competition generally. I have been a competitor in other areas of my life and generally after a while it gets old and uncomfortable. Competition seems to bring out the strange in people.

</DRAMA>

[TearyThunder]

Krough....see my previous post to Dr. M, the same applies to you.

[Bram Bones]

soon it'll be a "Post your scarecrows in this thread if you have one" non-contest. ; )

[krough]

LOL Bram Bones

[Dr Morbius]

<DRAMA>
I compete to have fun. I dont do it to intimidate or belittle others. The reason I post pics is to get feedback and to help other people. I even posted my painting technique for my stone way before the contest was over. Sure winning is nice but for me these contests are not about winning, they are about sharing ideas, and concepts. If you are competing solely to win you should go do something else because a shirt or a talking skull isnt worth your time and effort. I feel fortunate to have won and thank you all for your votes, but if my participation limits the potential numbers of folks who will enter then I will stand aside in this and future contests. So Like Dr M. I will not be competing in this contest.

One of the great things about the haunt community is the lack of competition generally. I have been a competitor in other areas of my life and generally after a while it gets old and uncomfortable. Competition seems to bring out the strange in people.

</DRAMA>

I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope Zombie doesn't take this the wrong way and pull the contest completely, I think I speak for Krough that we WANT the contests to remain. If by pulling out is what it takes to encourage more entries, then so be it! It won't stop me from building and posting my props on the forums.

[BloodyRose]

Ok after reading all the posts since last night I can't help but wonder really why the pics matter. Like some have said it's only 2 months but on the other hand, does it really matter if the progress is shown or not. If you are intimidated or whatever how will you feel once the reveals are made when yours isn't as "good as others"(you own words)? What's next......You see all the finished projects a say well so and so's is better than mine....I loose. Then get upset over it?

Come on people! This is a contest but who really cares about the prizes honestly. I thought it was show that we are in the spirit of Halloween. I know I am no where as good as Krough, Dr. M, HJ, etc. but still want to enter because I am proud of what I make regardless of what anyone else can do. I also could care less on what anyone else thinks about my entry because I like it and am proud of my accomplishment.

Just my .02

This is how it should be. entering shouldn't be based on weather or not you'll win, it should be about being proud of your accomplishments and feeling proud of what you've made and or making.

Dr.M maybe be my husband but as he can tell you i don't always agree with him and if he were to enter a contest and someone elses prop was better than his or just looked neater than his i would indeed vote for the one i thought was great. but at the sametime i wouldn't want to see people NOT enter a contest because they didn't want to hurt anyones pride or make them feel inferior.

hehe no matter what happens or what's going to be allowed or not, there's always going to be someone who not going to be happy.. welp! can't please everyone.

[grapegrl]

Uh...so can we do a sign contest instead now? Pweese???

Just kidding! :)

[heresjohnny]

Ah well, I think Dr Morbius and krough put it very well. The whole point of the contest for me was the sharing of ideas, progress and encouragement along the way. Because of the contests I have discovered and learned techniques I would have never dreamed of otherwise. I also posted a very detailed how-to on how I painted the tombstone, with the intent of helping other entraints. I also recall several late night chats sharing thoughts and ideas about other's tombstones. Thats why I enter these contests. So I will also sit this contest out, and I encourage the entraints to have fun with this and learn. :D

[heresjohnny]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope Zombie doesn't take this the wrong way and pull the contest completely, I think I speak for Krough that we WANT the contests to remain. If by pulling out is what it takes to encourage more entries, then so be it! It won't stop me from building and posting my props on the forums.

Yes, keep the contest going!

[TearyThunder]

How about if the winners form the previous contests were the ones to vote on the winners for this one instead of actually doing the entry. I am only bringing this up because it seems that they don't want to actually enter because of the negativity. Just a thought........

[slightlymad]

WOW WHAT DRAMA
This will be my first contest and i really hope all the usual suspects enter.

Whether or not my craftsmanship is equal to their own or not does not matter it is fun motivation and a dead line. Gets me off my kester and moving we have only been doing holloween for 4 years and building props for 2 this one has inspired me to finally build a massive center peice for the yard. If you lack the security to enter a contest and display your wares then how do you feel when people critic your haunt on holloween there is always a few who complain that even the best is lame. Enter the conest have fun with your build and enjoy all the creativity that will be shared in the end.

Sorry just had to get that out.

[Bram Bones]

Well, that does it. I'm out. Please don't beg me to enter, because I've made up my mind (unless I get more than three people pleading with me to return to the contest).

[TearyThunder]

BramBones, I feel you I am headed that way as well.

[DeathTouch]

I think I have a problem with the big boys dropping out (krough, Dr. M, and heresjohnny) I also love competition and driving myself more to do better on props. It is people like Krough, Dr. M, Blackwidow, and Heresjohnny that make me have the drive to do better because I know they have won before. So it is a challenge for me to out do them next time. Weather it is a different contest or not, I know there is a challenge a head of me and that I need to put my thinking cap on and do my best. But them dropping out is wrong, and it only teaches others that dropping out is the best answer. Which it isn’t. Dropping out to allow others a chance to win is wrong. That would be like me deciding to change all the rules for a game so that I could win. But if I won, it doesn’t mean anything because I really didn’t win, I cheated. I may get a prize from the scarecrow contest if everyone opts to leave, but it really doesn’t tell me how good I am as a prop builder. So, what is the best answer here?

[slightlymad]

Yes Yes Yes

[TearyThunder]

DT I agree with you. However I don't want to a part of something that feels so negative.

[slightlymad]

Come Brahm You Know You Want To Do It

[DeathTouch]

Now, wait Terry. This isn't really negitive. This is us hashing out the rules for the contest. I think we needed this very badly. It tells us where we are at in designing this contest. So first, we have to make everyone feel welcome in this contest. That goes for even the top dogs here at Hauntforum. And the members who need a little experience, well we need you to enter this contest too. Not to make fun of your work, but totally welcome you into this family we call Hauntforum.com. What do you say every? We want everyone in right?

[Michigal]

Sheesh...never thought it would cause this much problem with my thoughts.

Zombie-F, if you could please remove me as a member, I would appreciate it. I certainly didn't want to cause any hard feelings. I hereby ban myself from this forum.

[Bram Bones]

Something we haven't considered: Just because someone kicked butt on a tombstone doesn't necessarily mean they'll make a great scarecrow. Sure there's a chance, but come ON!

I thought I'd post that last thought before I asked Zombie to retract my membership to this forum.

[TearyThunder]

Now, wait Terry. This isn't really negitive. This is us hashing out the rules for the contest. I think we needed this very badly. It tells us where we are at in designing this contest. So first, we have to make everyone feel welcome in this contest. That goes for even the top dogs here at Hauntforum. And the members who need a little experience, well we need you to enter this contest too. Not to make fun of your work, but totally welcome you into this family we call Hauntforum.com. What do you say every? We want everyone in right?

DT the forum is great. I love it here. It's the negativity involved in the contest I'm not liking. I think everyone should participate. I don't care if I win a prize. I'm my eyes I'm already a winner......I will have completed a challenge and will be proud regardless. Actually if by some strange chance I do win I don't even want a prize. I don't need it. I would rather let someone like Empress have it for her non profit haunt. Just my .02

[DeathTouch]

Sheesh...never thought it would cause this much problem with my thoughts.

Zombie-F, if you could please remove me as a member, I would appreciate it. I certainly didn't want to cause any hard feelings. I hereby ban myself from this forum.

Michigal. It has not cause any trouble. We are all adults here hashing out the contest. Somethings are going to out of plan, but we can fix it. Please reconsider this Michigal. It would be a big help asking these members back into the contest. Pretty please Michigal... I know that Krough, Dr. M, and Heresjohnny would come back if you ask.

[Bram Bones]

yes, please, Michigal, please ask those guys to come back!

WTF?

[DeathTouch]

DT the forum is great. I love it here. It's the negativity involved in the contest I'm not liking. I think everyone should participate. I don't care if I win a prize. I'm my eyes I'm already a winner......I will have completed a challenge and will be proud regardless. Actually if by some strange chance I do win I don't even want a prize. I don't need it. I would rather let someone like Empress have it for her non profit haunt. Just my .02

Terry I understand what you mean. But the contest would only seem negitive if we let it. Being adult lets us be in charge of our feelings and let us to see this converstion as a steping stone and not being negitive. All you have to do it wait, and the smoke will clear, and then we can get on with making some good props for this contest. Are you with me?

[TearyThunder]

DT I am trying to hang in there. I will continue to do so for now.

[Zombie-F]

How about I just ditch these stupid things? It always seems to bring out more and more drama and hard feelings with each new round.

What happened to just entering for the fun of it? Who really cares if you win a lousy $40 fogger (or whatever) or not? :rolleyes:

[grapegrl]

Great...just when I had a good idea for a prop that would go with my theme this year...:mad:

[slightlymad]

NO NO NO NO NO NO (sync with stomping feet)

[slightlymad]

Hey did anybody else not get any real work done today?

[Dr Morbius]

I think I have a problem with the big boys dropping out (krough, Dr. M, and heresjohnny) I also love competition and driving myself more to do better on props. It is people like Krough, Dr. M, Blackwidow, and Heresjohnny that make me have the drive to do better because I know they have won before. So it is a challenge for me to out do them next time. Weather it is a different contest or not, I know there is a challenge a head of me and that I need to put my thinking cap on and do my best. But them dropping out is wrong, and it only teaches others that dropping out is the best answer. Which it isn’t. Dropping out to allow others a chance to win is wrong. That would be like me deciding to change all the rules for a game so that I could win. But if I won, it doesn’t mean anything because I really didn’t win, I cheated. I may get a prize from the scarecrow contest if everyone opts to leave, but it really doesn’t tell me how good I am as a prop builder. So, what is the best answer here?
I really hate dropping out of the contest! I thought it would be fun to compete again, but the earlier posts say different. This sucks. People don't want to enter because I compete, and now people don't want to enter because I'm NOT competeing. I can't win.

[Hellrazor]

I am also sorry i pushed the no pic rule because of my "intimidation" I did not mean for the way that sounded as well. I love seeing all the Prop Whores props but I was looking forward to an unveiling all at once. That is all.

Like DT said earlier at one point (I was on lunch and couldnt get to the end of the thread when I came back) It wont be the same if everyone doesnt join in the contest.

Michi has a right to throw out an idea, and she did. We all have the right to throw something out there to discuss and we do. Its unfortunate that that point was jumped all over.

Like (I forget who) said also, who knows if Krough (picking on you again) can make a scarecrow? I bet he cant, he has a different style. The voters may not like it.

So everyone please join - Bram Bones here is begging number 3 - and lets have a great contest...

I just dont want the pics cuz I would like to not compete or try and do something different cuz I see whats up. Most contests are secrecy until the last day. I think it would be fun for this contest only....and see how it goes....

As far as winning. I will be happy to just submit an entry, thats the truth. Ive been designing all day cuz it sounds like fun, just to try. This is definatly out of my element and I am sure many others too..

So, in conclusion, can we all just get along! Zombie can you please repost the rules to date?

[kevin242]

What kind of contest are we trying to turn this into? It seems to me that Dr. M, Krogh and HJ should be able/encouraged to enter (how else will it be possible to avenge my losing to them in the TDT? :) along with anyone else who wants to...
The rules seem fair enough...
let the competition begin!

p.s. what's wrong with previews? I personally look forward to seeing them, in fact I spent a lot of time during my build on the board looking at them and getting inspired. People get intimidated? This sounds a lot like silliness... but, I'm cool with anything our moderator decides.

[Dr Morbius]

How about I just ditch these stupid things? It always seems to bring out more and more drama and hard feelings with each new round.

What happened to just entering for the fun of it? Who really cares if you win a lousy $40 fogger (or whatever) or not? :rolleyes:

I still think the contests are a good idea. They bring out more good than bad. I'm just speaking for myself with regards to the hard feelings out there with regards to my competeing. Let's say we put this in perspective. I wouldn't want anyone to enter this contest if they feel they can't win. That's the wrong reason to enter. Which brings up the whole allowing pictures thing. IF you won't enter the contest because you see someones picture and think you have no chance at a fogger, then begone with you. You are entering for the wrong reason. If you see someones picture and it INSPIRES you to try harder and post an entry so everyone can see how far you pushed yourself, then WELCOME! You are the right person to have in the contest, and you personify the spirit in which the contest is intended. I will reflect on this and perhaps come to the conclusion to be damned with spoilsports and full steam ahead and enter anyway. We'll see.

[Hellrazor]

Please keep in mind all that the title of this thread is Scarecrow Competition DISCUSSION..

Stuff just shouldnt be taken any way, just discuss it...

[Dr Morbius]

Sheesh...never thought it would cause this much problem with my thoughts.

Zombie-F, if you could please remove me as a member, I would appreciate it. I certainly didn't want to cause any hard feelings. I hereby ban myself from this forum.
Don't be ridiculous, Michigal. You are a valued member here, and you have EVERY right to post what's on your mind.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

I want you to enter, I want to kick your A** this round!

[krypt]

the more time yall spend bickering the less build time....

[Dr Morbius]

Something we haven't considered: Just because someone kicked butt on a tombstone doesn't necessarily mean they'll make a great scarecrow. Sure there's a chance, but come ON!

I thought I'd post that last thought before I asked Zombie to retract my membership to this forum.


WTF?? You guys don't need to leave the forum because of discussions. Knock it off, we need you.

[Hellrazor]

IF you won't enter the contest because you see someones picture and think you have no chance at a fogger, then begone with you. You are entering for the wrong reason. If you see someones picture and it INSPIRES you to try harder and post an entry so everyone can see how far you pushed yourself, then WELCOME! You are the right person to have in the contest, and you personify the spirit in which the contest is intended. I will reflect on this and perhaps come to the conclusion to be damned with spoilsports and full steam ahead and enter anyway. We'll see.

Well I was gonna let this go but need to defend myself her (knowing it was not reflected on me) When I decided not to enter the tombstone contest, I did not know what the prizes were or if there were any. I felt after seeing DTs stone that mine just dont cut it and I did not have the opportuntiy to "raise the bar". I, as a non-contestnt, loved seeing the pics unfold, but alas was quashed by the talent presented. I can see both points of view here. Certain builders want to show off their wares as they are doing them, others choose not to show too soon. Some people will keep everything in secret until the final "showdown" lets say. There will be a more diverse collection of attempts. But maybe there will not be....

Is there a reason that Zombie F cannot use that rule for this contest only to see what becomes of it. I couldnt care less either way, but its an option... it really a non-issue.

Its unfortunate that corruption always has to come to something good....I wish we could figure out how to have a scarecrow fun pagent...lol

[Dr Morbius]

I'm fine with the rules. I have no problem with the picture thing. I was only using that as an example to make a point about the spirit of the contest.

[grapegrl]

I hope that by the time the dust settles on this, we don't have any holdouts from anyone who might want to participate--including previous entrants. I think it would be pretty pompous for someone to not enter because they feel their presence is intimidating. I would also hate to see the cultivation of an elitist "senior/experienced members vs. newbs" mentality here at HauntForum. That's the main reason I do not post at another Hallowe'en oriented forum site anymore.

That being said, I am entering (if there is indeed going to be a contest) and had planned to even before this thread derailed. Personally, I won't be posting pictorial progress reports of my prop--partly because I'm lazy, but mainly because I don't want anyone to see it until it is finished. I like the whole feeling of anticipation and mystique surrounding a secretive prop-builder.

[Dr Morbius]

I hope that by the time the dust settles on this, we don't have any holdouts from anyone who might want to participate--including previous entrants. I think it would be pretty pompous for someone to not enter because they feel their presence is intimidating. I would also hate to see the cultivation of an elitist "senior/experienced members vs. newbs" mentality here at HauntForum. That's the main reason I do not post at another Hallowe'en oriented forum site anymore.
OK.....I didn't say my presence was intimidating. Other people posted that. I am NO elitist. I'm just as new at prop building (2 years) as you are. I'm just frustrated that on one hand some won't enter because I was going to enter, and on the other some won't enter because I'm not. (entering)

[Hauntiholik]

That being said, I am entering (if there is indeed going to be a contest) and had planned to even before this thread derailed.
Wish I could do a Tone-Loc voice - "Let's do it"

[DeathTouch]

I think Zombie-F created these contests for us to come together as haunters. As of today, it has broken us apart. Certainly not what Zombie-F had intended for these contests. Each apology seems to bring us further apart from starting this contest. I think to get on the same page as Haunters we need to agree not to disagree. That is why we don’t any further explanations or being sorry, just that you are planning on entering this contest. So, who is in?

[grapegrl]

Wish I could do a Tone-Loc voice - "Let's do it"

:D you're on, girl! :D

Oh, and Dr Morbius...please don't think that I was pointing fingers with my comment.

[Zombie-F]

Ok. I've had a little time to think about this... even though it does put some people off and may cause some to not enter, I'm going to move on with this contest in the exact same fashion the previous two did. In-progress photos and discussions will be allowed. Looking back at the older contests, lots of good information came out of it... info that you all can use to build better stuff, even if you decide not to enter the contest.

If you're going to be intimidated, then don't enter. Otherwise, use it as an excuse to pick up and/or improve on your skills and take a stab at it. Realistically, what is the worst thing that will happen? You'll still walk away with a new prop.

Starting with the next contest, I will not hold town council on the rules. Rules discussion on this one is now closed and I will post the rules thread in a moment. Either you like them and enter, or you don't. It's that simple. If you're going to leave the forum over such an insignifigant and foolish thing as this, then so be it.

And I will not be deleting any member's accounts. Doing so would break the continuity of any previous threads they posted to.

[Hellrazor]

Cool Zombie F - Good stand! I like it!

[slightlymad]

EXCELLENT!

I knew this was the place to be. It is so nice to see someone make a decision stand by it and not try to appease all.

[NecroBones]

Oh man, I go away for a few hours and all this erupts... lol, I keep having surprises coming back to the boards...

Anyway, I'm glad to see it's going forward. I agree, if you choose to bow out, for whatever reason, that's your choice. Otherwise everyone here can have fun and participate if they want, share their efforts if they want, etc. Glad to see that.

If I manage to pull a 'crow together, I'm sure I won't win since I've never made one and have very limited prop experience, but I want props I can use anyway, and like to share my efforts.

[BloodyRose]

This is supposed to be fun =) and people should remeber that first and formost. Zombie you were right for making the stand you did. i would hate to see people drop out for one reason or another. speaking from a bystander point of view. Dr.M would sometimes be stumped with what to do with his props next, what technique to use. this forum has helped him be ALOT more creative in his building, seeing what others are doing and reading how they're doing it just helps him more... Sure i'm good with a well this would look good here or maybe this thingy would look good there. but it by no means measures up to the help that the friends he's made here in this forum bring him. and by friends i mean each and everyone of you.

When he enters a contest he does do it for the FUN and only the FUN of it, he's not doing it because he thinks he's better than anyone else. and i can't speak for the rest of the people here but that's the general impression i get from everyone else here that enters these contests, they do it for fun, comradery (sp) and to maybe learn something new from someone else. so thinking you're not good enough is hogwash IMO, because you are actully helping them do better as much as they help you. and you should look at it that way.

Now as for DR.M entering the contest....
I know he very much wants too, he got that gleem in his eye when the contest was officialy announced and i was actully going to participate in it with him i think it would be fun for us to do it together.

We have other things to consider such as Holloween is very close not to far off, he has repairs on a few of his props he needs to do like the hangman, it's not working properly and our oldest son accidently smashed the fence they made last year to contain the props so that has to be replaced. he wants some electronic thing-a-ma-jig to control his props from indoors. although the cost limit that is placed on the contest is very, very, acpetable. we have to take the cost of the other things that need to be done as well. so scarecrow contest may have to be a no go from him this time around.

Anyhoo i think i'm done writing this novel, i just had to get that out. and hope he doesn't spank me for doing so!

ok, maybe just a little spank!

[DeathTouch]

This is supposed to be fun =) and people should remeber that first and formost. Zombie you were right for making the stand you did. i would hate to see people drop out for one reason or another. speaking from a bystander point of view. Dr.M would sometimes be stumped with what to do with his props next, what technique to use. this forum has helped him be ALOT more creative in his building, seeing what others are doing and reading how they're doing it just helps him more... Sure i'm good with a well this would look good here or maybe this thingy would look good there. but it by no means measures up to the help that the friends he's made here in this forum bring him. and by friends i mean each and everyone of you.

When he enters a contest he does do it for the FUN and only the FUN of it, he's not doing it because he thinks he's better than anyone else. and i can't speak for the rest of the people here but that's the general impression i get from everyone else here that enters these contests, they do it for fun, comradery (sp) and to maybe learn something new from someone else. so thinking you're not good enough is hogwash IMO, because you are actully helping them do better as much as they help you. and you should look at it that way.

Now as for DR.M entering the contest....
I know he very much wants too, he got that gleem in his eye when the contest was officialy announced and i was actully going to participate in it with him i think it would be fun for us to do it together.

We have other things to consider such as Holloween is very close not to far off, he has repairs on a few of his props he needs to do like the hangman, it's not working properly and our oldest son accidently smashed the fence they made last year to contain the props so that has to be replaced. he wants some electronic thing-a-ma-jig to control his props from indoors. although the cost limit that is placed on the contest is very, very, acpetable. we have to take the cost of the other things that need to be done as well. so scarecrow contest may have to be a no go from him this time around.

Anyhoo i think i'm done writing this novel, i just had to get that out. and hope he doesn't spank me for doing so!

ok, maybe just a little spank!


It is funny to see the difference between BloodyRose and Mr. M. BloodRose tells it like it is and Mr. M tells everyone that they just suck. LOL. I love it. Of course it is the same with my wife too I just don't let her play with the computer on line. LOL.

[BloodyRose]

It is funny to see the difference between BloodyRose and Mr. M. BloodRose tells it like it is and Mr. M tells everyone that they just suck. LOL. I love it. Of course it is the same with my wife too I just don't let her play with the computer on line. LOL.

LoL! he knows better than to tell me what to do! it gets pretty cold sleeping on the front porch at night!:eek:

[Sickie Ickie]

Great stand! I may or may not agree on everything, but let's face it- you can't please everyone all the time. So I'm willing to go by what is decided. Let the competition begin!

[Ugly Joe]

Howdy all...

May I just say, I'm here to enter the Scarecrow Contest...

I have zero intention of winning...

I may embarrass myself with my entry...

but I WILL enter.



By the way...are all of you being serious with this drama?
I've been on a couple of the other Halloween style forums, and most of the time folks are joking with, "I won't play if they're going to play..." or "I'm going to take my ball and go home"...

Sorry if I offend with that kind of comment.
It's just, I'm really hoping this type of stuff on this thread is kind of a joke...



So hello to those that don't already know me...those that do know me, know I'm pretty blunt and abrasive, so this isn't out of character for me.



:D

[krypt]

Howdy all...

May I just say, I'm here to enter the Scarecrow Contest...

I have zero intention of winning...

I may embarrass myself with my entry...

but I WILL enter.



By the way...are all of you being serious with this drama?
I've been on a couple of the other Halloween style forums, and most of the time folks are joking with, "I won't play if they're going to play..." or "I'm going to take my ball and go home"...

Sorry if I offend with that kind of comment.
It's just, I'm really hoping this type of stuff on this thread is kind of a joke...



So hello to those that don't already know me...those that do know me, know I'm pretty blunt and abrasive, so this isn't out of character for me.



:D

i sure hope its a joke .....i think some think they should have gotten more votes then they did....but votes mean nothing .....there just clicks if you and treaters like prop thats all that counts!

[Ugly Joe]

Ah.


Well...I like props.
(and some other, way off topic, kind of things too...but that's for another time - WooHoo!!)



I just like to see variety - that's the kind of stuff that drives my imagination (I guess I'm a bit of a rip-off artist...a VileThings-style marionette, and a PumpkinRot-inspired scarecrow for last year, among other things).

So I'm hoping many people will have the audacity to enter.

[BuriedAlive]

OK, I've spent the past 45 mins. reading all these posts, and I gotta say, whoa. I know Zombie-F already established rules, so I'm not putting in my two cents for that. However, I'd like to make mention of something else; this is for the hot button issue of people entering or not entering the contest. For the pro builders: ENTER THE CONTEST!!!!!! DO NOT LET REMARKS OF YOU INTIMIDATING PEOPLE STOP YOU!!!! You have every right, and almost a duty, to enter. And for those who may be intimidated; ENTER THE CONTEST!!!!!!! REMEMBER, HISTORY IS FULL OF STORIES OF THE UNDERDOG WINNING!!!!!!
We are all members here, which means not only are we a family, but we all have the same things in common. We love to celebrate Halloween, and a good many of us build props. If I've learned anything from the haunt community, it's that we are a supportive bunch who never hesitate to offer help when asked. So why should there be intimidation from your peers? Just because somebody can carve and paint a kick-ass tombstone, doesn't mean they can build a scarecrow to save their life. And if they do build one, John Doe that nobody knows may have one that rivals even Pumpkinrot's own. So I guess the point I'm trying to make is: all you who are reluctant to enter for whatever reason should lay those feelings aside and get building. I plan on voting, and I'd prefer to choose between twenty entrants instead of two.

[heresjohnny]

Well, I've been thinking about it, and I have decided that I am in this group to build props and share ideas, and letting anybody change that is wrong. I really hope I can learn something from you, and maybe teach you something in return. So I'm gonna try to forget this thread even exists and write it off as a bad day. I'm in.

[Otaku]

Wow, a lot of interesting opinions here! LOL Unfortunately, I'll not be able to enter this one - and I really would like to build a scarecrow, too. I already have too much on my prop-building plate (as well as some structural projects) that prevent me from tackling this one. After the cool tombstones I'm really looking forward to seeing the entries for this contest.

[mrklaw]

I'm in. I guess I need to start work on the scarecrow and start posting again. I got out of the habit when I went on vacation in June.

I'm back and I just started working on a scarecrow last week!

[Hellrazor]

I need clarification on one of the rules please Zombie F. The measurement of the scarecrow.... Do I measure from the ground to his head or to his highest point. Also am I to measure from the ground or his feet, Cuz he will be off the ground a few feet too. I think someone else asked if you measure to his head or to his hands if they are over his head and I did not catch the answer.

Thanks!

[slightlymad]

I also need clarification is a small fan considered animation?

[Hellrazor]

another clarification question: what if you cannot lay your scarecrow on the ground. Is it okay to measure it while it is in the ground standing up?

[DeathTouch]

Would using my blowup snowman be considered animation?

[Hellrazor]

I would think so DT..LOL

[DeathTouch]

I would think so DT..LOL

What if I have my wife blow it up? LOL.

[slightlymad]

okay i get it but ya just never know

[Hellrazor]

Do you think DT is mocking you? I think hes just being a goof... gotta read most of his stuff... LOL

[DeathTouch]

Do you think DT is mocking you? I think hes just being a goof... gotta read most of his stuff... LOL

You are just too good Hellrazor. And it scares me that you can see thru me like that.

[Zombie-F]

The height measurement will be from the point where the post contacts the ground up to the highest point on the scarecrow. Remember, we're dealing with a height MINIMUM this time, not a maximum.

Also, as for the fan question... if it in any way creates any type of motion on or in the scarecrow, I'd have to say that's considered animation.

If you are unable to lay your scarecrow down on the ground, measuring it while standing it up will be fine. I only worded it in that fashion figuring it'd be easier to measure the height of it while it's lying down as opposed to standing upright.

[Hellrazor]

cool thanks Zombie F

[Ugly Joe]

Just out of curiosity, before I begin getting in over my head (a favorite passtime of mine)...will any materials be considered verboten?

Monster Mud?
Concrete?
Steel?
Illudium PU-36 Space Modulator?



I just want to make certain that 400 lbs of Monster Mud/concrete "scarecrow" precipitously perched on a length of steel pipe would still qualify...

Of course...at that point, it's a "Scare-Anything" if it starts to lean...

[heresjohnny]

Hah, the leaning tower of crow (boo, hiss, ack)

[Empress Nightshade]

WOW!

I started reading this thread up to the sweetness of page four and then skipped to page 16 to find bitterness. I'm not sure what was said in between, but I'm glad to see that it has worked out.

I have never entered a prop building contest. Probably because I'm not much of a prop builder. Sure, I can slap stuff together and it works. But, never something of beauty. I voted for MM projects, but Scarecrows won out. However, who says I can't create a MM Scarecrow.

Hmmmm.....
I might enter this one.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Hmmmm.....
I might enter this one.

I dare you! :devil:

[Hellrazor]

I double dog dare you...

[Empress Nightshade]

Oh, come on now. You really don't think I'd react to such childish taunting, did you? :D

[Hellrazor]

Well ya......

Nah, your too chicken anyway..... we didnt want you to play anyway.... hmmmmpf there.

LOL

[slightlymad]

Wait isnt thta what prop building is about throwing stuff together and making it work. Or have i been doing wronge all this time.

Hellrazor I never take any hobby serious enough to even think someone is mocking ruins the fun. Besides by the look of the answer i was right to ask cause it seriuosly changes mt original plan

[slightlymad]

:googly: NA NA NA NA you cant play ... BLAH

[heresjohnny]

It's nice to see that we have returned to our usual ways...

[slightlymad]

Yes Yes

[Sickie Ickie]

Nyaah Nyaah-Nyaah-Nyaah Nyaaaaaahhhhh :-P

[Hellrazor]

Im sooooo excited. I have a plan and everything, but gotta wait till closer to fall to exicute it. Im gonna try and do it all on my own too without hubbys help... wish me luck!

[ScareFX]

... wish me luck!


Good Luck!

[krough]

Now that we are through all that.

Im in

[Frighteners Entertainment]

Now that we are through all that.

Im inWell, if you in, I'm out!

LOL J/K

[TearyThunder]

Now that we are through all that.

Im in
Uh Oh!!! I'm intimidated....... NOT! I'm glad you finally decided to enter! It wouldn't be the same without you and the others. I love seeing everyones new creations! Let's go and get building! BTW I'm almost done lol.

[Hellrazor]

Yay!

[Empress Nightshade]

*Wiping the dirt off my hands*

Okay, I'm back. I was just, uh....out back, uh....surveying...some..stuff. :D

[BobC]

Ok How about posting a Scarecrow that I built like 2 or 3 years ago?
It is all 100% hand made except the mask I used. I want to enter the Competition but have no need for 2 scarecrows right now. I can supply everything needed to enter. Price list and how-to, and my Scarecrow is way under $50.00. Ohh yeah and it exceeds the time limit by 3 Seasons..lol Let me know what you all think. :jol:

[Zombie-F]

I apologize, but as discussed earlier in the thread, the scarecrow is to be a new build for anyone wishing to enter.

[Zombie-F]

Hehe, everyone had better hope to God that John from pumpkinrot doesn't decide to register and enter. You'll all be doomed then. :eek:

Keep in mind, he does lurk about these parts from time to time.

[Hauntiholik]

If he DOES enter - yeah, he'll probably win. I'm always in awe looking at his site.

[krough]

Hehe, everyone had better hope to God that John from pumpkinrot doesn't decide to register and enter. You'll all be doomed then. :eek:

Keep in mind, he does lurk about these parts from time to time.

True, But if he does enter he had better get to posting, 30 posts is a fair number.
Unless of course he is already registered here as some other alias.

[Frighteners Entertainment]

True, But if he does enter he had better get to posting, 30 posts is a fair number.
Unless of course he is already registered here as some other alias.

Hi everyone, John here.
I think I have enough posts now, I was just waiting for the right contest before I would come out from hiding......:eek:

[Hauntiholik]

Awww crud! I'm out! hehehe j/k

[TearyThunder]

Hi everyone, John here.
I think I have enough posts now, I was just waiting for the right contest before I would come out from hiding......:eek:
Ahh So Jeff is YOUR alias? lol :googly:

[BobC]

Man I got my signs made and everything.
"What do I want to submit" My old Scare Crow
"When do I want to submit it" Now!!!

Seriously what difference does it make if a ScareCrow is new or old? Its still hand made? Its not like I have an edge on everyone just cause its made already I mean its MM so I do have to put some touches on it every year before I put it out which refreshes it and makes it new if that counts..:jol:

[Bram Bones]

I think the difference is that you are not under the same time contraints as the other contestants. So it's not a level playing field.

[DeathTouch]

John would never ever enter this contest because he would have to talk to people and he is too anti-sociable for that. It is ok if he talks to one person on email, but not a whole gang-bang like we have. "Maybe I shouldn't of said gang-bang." Well, you know what I mean.

[heresjohnny]

Hi everyone, John here.
I think I have enough posts now, I was just waiting for the right contest before I would come out from hiding......:eek:

Thats a god one FE!

[Hellrazor]

pretty funny fella eh

[HibLaGrande]

OH WOW I've been sleeping at the switch again!..... A new contest. Yay!

[Hellrazor]

Im trying to get my witch done to work on my scarecrow and now I have a have a thing of 1.5 inch foam that I am itching to make into a bleeding tombstone. I have the pump (got at garage sale for 2.00) and the paint and the foam and the 6 inch spikes... what more could I ask for.... but the problem its not on my list..... what to do oh what to do...

The foam is too thick for the windows...so I should just make the stone, the witch and the scarecrow for this year right??? right???

[Zombie-F]

Frighteners just put up a FULL SET of Virgil CDs as the top prize this round! Thanks Jeff. If that doesn't motivate I don't know what will!

[heresjohnny]

Thanks Jeff!

[Zombie-F]

Here's the current prize offerings:

Prizes:

First Place will be a HUGE set of Virgil CDs (http://thefrighteners.com/Music.htm) courtesy of Frighteners Entertainment (http://www.thefrighteners.com)! Thanks for the HUGE prize Jeff!
Second Place will be winner's choice of any one item from the HauntForum Shop (http://www.cafepress.com/hauntforum) AND a mini strobe (http://monsterguts.com/lighting.htm)! Thanks to Monster Guts (http://www.monsterguts.com) for the mini strobe!
Third Place will receive their choice of any one item from Nightshade's Nightmare Shop (http://www.cafepress.com/nnightmare), courtesy of Nightshade (http://www.hauntforum.com/member.php?u=77) of Nightshade's Nightmare (http://www.nightshadesnightmare.com/).

[Hellrazor]

awesome prizes! Thanks all!

[grapegrl]

http://i2.tinypic.com/1zy8nir.jpg Day-um! That's a nice load of prizes there! Thanks, sponsors!

[Sinister]

Those Virgil CD's sound pretty shweet! Might have to add them to the old collection like I have Midnight Syndicate, Nox Arcana and Pumpkinland. :jol: Cool shite indeed!

[Sickie Ickie]

Awesome! Builders...start your drooling!

[ScareFX]

Frighteners just put up a FULL SET of Virgil CDs as the top prize this round! Thanks Jeff. If that doesn't motivate I don't know what will!

Fantastic! Yes thanks Jeff! That's a great prize.

[BobC]

Nice Prizes Thanks for donating them. I have so many Brand new Halloween props that I have bought after Halloween year after year and will never use all of them, maybe Ill donate to the next competition. But in the mean time I have to build a new Scarecrow over the weekend. I have an idea so we will see how it comes out. Later all :jol:

[Hauntiholik]

Yes! Thanks for the prizes!
I don't care if I make it to the top 3. I got my scarecrow idea today and I'm so freaking jazzed - I'm vibrating in place. I can't wait to start!

[Dr Morbius]

If anyone is stuck on a design, this might help...or not..LOL!

http://www.maleny.net.au/scarecrow/cre8crow.html

[TearyThunder]

If anyone is stuck on a design, this might help...or not..LOL!

http://www.maleny.net.au/scarecrow/cre8crow.html

LOL I love it!

[DeathTouch]

If anyone is stuck on a design, this might help...or not..LOL!

http://www.maleny.net.au/scarecrow/cre8crow.html

This isn't Dr. Morbious is it? This is BloodyRose. You can't fool me.

[slightlymad]

well all i know is the while demonic bunch including future son in law minus wife/partner abd daughter spent the day with paper mache and that is prize enough for all those who have teenagers you under stand.

[six_feetdown]

two Q's for you, are international peeps allowed to enter ( yes i know not enough posts yet, will have to turn into a post whore lol) and two is that $50 american or international ie. aus ? thought id'e ask b4 doing anything.

[Zombie-F]

$50 US, so you'd have to convert your money to USD for the contest. International entries are more than welcome provided the vendors putting up the prizes have no problem (potentially) shipping overseas. :D

[Dr Morbius]

Does the post have to be 4x4? Or can we use two 2x4's together?

[Zombie-F]

Two 2 x 4's would be fine. Just as long as the contact to the ground (or base piece of plywood) is no greater than 4" x 4".

[krough]

I worked on my scarecrow head this weekend

http://grimvisions.com/images/scarekrough/scarekrough%20018.jpg

[Dr Morbius]

Wow! That is amazing!

[Dr Morbius]

I have progress on my head...http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/7/19618563358.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19618563358.jpg&s=f10):D You have to imagine a crow is pulling on his cheek..He will be eaten and attacked by many crows. Which reminds me...any of you guys have experience making homemade crows? Or any links to a site with a how-to?

[slightlymad]

Nice work i started the body no pics yet

[ScareFX]

If anyone is stuck on a design, this might help...or not..LOL!

http://www.maleny.net.au/scarecrow/cre8crow.html

Great tool Doc. I think I've settled on a 9, 2, 5. :D

[BuriedAlive]

Awesome Doc.

[Dr Morbius]

Thanks Buried! I was gonna use that head for a groundbreaker, but it works better for this...I did start the head AFTER the contest was started, so I think it's OK to use it. Just needed additional Mache'.

[PrettyGhoul]

krough and Dr Morbius both your scarecrow heads look great!! :D

[Dr Morbius]

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to make my own crows from scrap packing foam..I have started one...Pics soon. Foam, Mache covered, paperboard beak, wire/mache wings-tail, and papertowel feathers. I think that should do it..Oh, and plastic coathangers for legs, and wire coathangers for talons. Painted all black. I think it's doable, and should keep costs down to next to nothing. I need about 8 to 10 crows. What do you guys think? Anyone else bulding crows? Or has anyone made one already?

[Sickie Ickie]

Nice job! Both heads are really coming along!

[Sickie Ickie]

http://www.goingape.com/c841-feathered-raven-halloween-prop.html

Has them for about $5 ea.

[Fangs]

sweet heads Krough and Dr.M! Man you guys are good! Such Talent!!!!!!! :>

[DeathTouch]

I have progress on my head...http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/7/19618563358.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19618563358.jpg&s=f10):D You have to imagine a crow is pulling on his cheek..He will be eaten and attacked by many crows. Which reminds me...any of you guys have experience making homemade crows? Or any links to a site with a how-to?

I live in the midwest and I have never seen a cow attacking anyone. But I have seen a mad cow, so maybe that could have had happend.

Good job!

[BloodyRose]

1 out of 3 cats agree so far that the crows he is making now do seem realistic.

[Hauntiholik]

Wow Dr M! I think that thing will scare more than crows!
And with that pic.....I just lost any chance.....but I don't care. I'm still going to make my SC and enter him. Why? Because that scary thing isn't in my yard and I need something to make the neighbor want to move! :P

BTW - I'm not complaining :) Y'all are just so talented!

[mrklaw]

Wow, those pics are amazing! I need to get cracking on my scarecrow.

[Ugly Joe]

Something completely different:
(having to use my phone camera, as my regular digital was busted on the 4th of July - makes for lousy pics)

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/ItsUglyJoe/Pending/?action=view&current=49349c29.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

[heresjohnny]

krough and Dr M, the starts you have on your scarecorws are awesome! What the prize for third? I might still have a shot at third.

[heresjohnny]

Something completely different:
(having to use my phone camera, as my regular digital was busted on the 4th of July - makes for lousy pics)

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/ItsUglyJoe/Pending/?action=view&current=49349c29.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

Very nice, I like the creepy burlap theme. Is there a prize for forth? I might still have a shot at fourth.

[Dr Morbius]

LOL HJ!...Ugly Joe, that looks creepy! I love it!

[Ugly Joe]

HJ and the good Dr...many, many thanks - I just want to make the top 10, considering what I've seen on this forum...

Now I have hands and feet to work on - and lots and lots of vines...

[NecroBones]

I actually started on mine this weekend too... Ain't much to look at yet though!

http://halloween.necrobones.com/photos/2006/halloween/a651.jpg

The upright portion is about 3.5" x 3.5", and will hold a 2" x 2" post.

[Dr Morbius]

I'm gonna need to make a base too, as I don't want to bury a post into my lawn. Looks like a glood plan, necro, and should keep cost down. I like it.

[Dr Morbius]

I started on a crow as an experiment to see how a mache crow would turn out. This is the armature for a crow, not mached or painted yet.



http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/7/19800164087.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19800164087.jpg&s=f10)

[Sickie Ickie]

pic not showing up, doc