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Hmmm...thought Spaulding would get his vote in, but I guess he's busy with his moving so it's a no go with his vote, so moving right along...

The Exorcist sends the Big D's brat a'packing and so we'll get to packing it to the next match up...

Phantasm

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Hellraiser

Will the Tall Dude get in there with his flying cuisanart's and Star Wars reject Jawas and kick some Cenobite ass, or will Pinhead and Hell's minions make Jebediah Morningstar wish he had never left his weird dimension and tried to **** with the Lament Configuration Box and its nasty hooks and chains? Time to get the polls rolling again, guys; who will take on Regan in the next round? Still more demons, or the guy with the balls?
 

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I sure would have liked to - only I just couldn't find the spare time (busy, busy!). Had I voted, I would have voted for "The Exorcist", anyway, so it's all good!
 

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How did I miss the posting of the latest battle? Oh well, here's my thoughts:

Phantasm:
Here we have a tried and true genre favorite featuring one of Horror's most beloved evil characters, The Tall Man (played by super-creepy Angus Scrimm).

I have to admit, I think the Tall Man and his mission to wreak havok on the living is an interesting story. His silvery spheres and their power tool attachments are an incredibly unique method of forcing one to meet their maker.

However, while I'm a fan of the character and even a fan of two of the sequels, I can't really say I'm a fan of the original movie. It's just too damned weird for my tastes.

There are a few scenes and ideas in this film that are very interesting and are even played out to near perfection, but the film overall just seems to fall flat somewhere along the line. I think the problem here was that Coscarelli was still very green at this point. I'm not convinced he knew what he was doing in this early stage of his career, which probably explains why I tend to gravitate towards Phantasm II and III more than to this one.

Despite that huge complaint, this movie has one of the most memorable endings one can recollect in any horror movie. It gets bonus points for that.

Hellraiser:
This modern classic plays on man's inability to leave be that which should not be tinkered with; some welcome subject matter for a horror film. This very character flaw is the undoing of one of the film's central characters, sex addict and all around scumbag Frank Cotton.

The movie focuses on Frank's chance encounter with the Lament Configuration Box and his desire to figure it out, despite warnings to just leave the thing alone. Frank unlocks one of the box's dark minions and must now pay the price for his ingenuity -- an eternity in hellish pain and anguish.

Frank manages to escape the clutches of the demonic cenobites and hide out in his brother Larry's home, luring Larry's wife into helping him kill any idiot foolish enough to be lured into the house. See, Frank needs fresh blood to help regenerate his decayed flesh.

Amidst this madness, Larry's daughter Kristy catches wind of whats going on and embarks on a dangerous journey to unlock the Box and hand Frank over to the dominions of hell he must answer to.

This is a bizarre movie, to say the least. It is also one of my favorites. Much like the puzzle box itself, this movie just "clicks" into place for me. The extremely dark overtones throughout coupled with an engaging story and superb direction by Clive Barker make for a must-see horror movie. It is not for the faint of heart or those with a weak stomach.

I try to separate the endless horrible sequels (save for Hellraiser II) to this masterpiece, so as not to let them drag this wonderful picture through the mud.

Without hesitation, I give my vote this round to Hellraiser.

Phantasm - 0
Hellraiser - 1
 

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I thought this would be a particularly cool matchup because of two reasons: One, it features two of the greatest Horror movie icons of our time, and Two, the main brunt focuses around not only the lead characters of The Tall Man and Pinhead, but their unique inventions in which to visit a whole new world of hurt on an unsuspecting human race. That said, I shall move on to my own insights into this arena...

Phantasm is indeed a creepy film and I believe it works on several levels. It's a Horror film and a Sci-Fi flick, it plays upon one of the darkest bastions of our fears of cemetaries and funeral homes and works wonders with the starkness of the scenery and shadows and what can emerge from them to drag you down into nighted depths.

The film is uneven in places and some parts really needed explanation to make the story flow with a smooth ambience. To this day, I wonder what was up with the old blind lady and her granddaughter, why Coscarelli put so much emphasis on the character of Jody when it was apparent that he was dead at the end of the film and Reg explained it away as he died in an auto wreck (was it a natural death, or did The Tall Man orchestrate the whole thing?) and finally, if this was all a dream of Mike's, did none of the other events upon awakening ever occur, or was all that followed including the subsequent sequels a dream as well? I will just take the movie for what it is, an original Horror film joyride and try not to sort out too many of the particulars. I think I enjoyed Part Two a bit more, and it was with this film that I believe that Reggie Bannister became a bonafide Horror Icon himself and not the first movie. Coscarelli I think realizes that he did indeed make mistakes with the first and hads wholeheartedly agreed with a remake. I just hope that before this travesty happens in a long line of Hollywood remake disasters that he should go ahead and make Phantasms End and bow out gracefully at that point; but what the hell do I know? It all hinges on money and what the producers think will make a buck flushing any chance that an original idea might have down the proverbial toilet.

Hellraiser. I agree with practically everyone of Zombie's observations of this movie and differ slightly in one other. For instance, I believe that I'm one of the only folks on the planet who thought Hellraiser: Bloodline was a cool Horror film.

One interesting obeservation I've made with the original movie is when Frank tells Julia that the Box opens the doors to the pleasures of Heaven or Hell, but in none of the movies do we see where it is linked with Pearly Gates and Harps, but irrefutably runs in conjunction with Pain and the stench of brimstone. Perhaps "The Lead Cenobite" (Pinhead) said it best when Kirsty asked who he and his cohorts were: "Explorers in the furthest reaches of experience. Demons to some, Angels to others," implying that it's all in the eye of the beholder to what is the definiton of paradise or perdition.

This is a dark fairytale that I believe the Brothers Grimm would approve of and appreciate. It is a moral fable that teaches us like with many of man's other desires that we shouldn't delve to deeply (or greedily) into things that we weren't made to understand.

I also chose Hellraiser because from start to finish, this is an almost flawless Horror film. I'm still waiting and hoping to see if Clive Barker gets the rights to the franchise so he can return dignity to the series by creating a movie that once and for all lays the legacy of Pinhead to rest. The movies need a chapter of finality and I believe that in order to do this properly they should have Ashley Laurence return as Kirsty Cotton to deliver the final coup de gras. Barker's and Ashley's return would be the only thing that could save face for this steadily spiralling series before it goes into complete oblivion.

Hellraiser: 2

Phantasm: 0
 

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Hellraiser for me too. It's not as though I dislike Phantasm in any way, shape, or form, but one whom controls midgets against those who walk time is really no matchup at all. Clive Barkers Hellraiser is a classic example of what horrror films should be.
 

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Since it is Memorial Day weekend, I think I'm going to leave this particular running up for a few more days. Everyone I know is busy through the holidays, so hopefully by the first part of the week I can post another bout.

IF you are thinking about getting your vote into the running, maybe as you chow down on Barbeque Ribs this weekend, it will remind you of chains with hooks or metal balls with whirring blades and it will get you to the polls. :D
 

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Normally I wouldn't just vote and run, but I'm moving tomorrow and just can't afford the time. I'd love to play, though. Sorry. ("Phantasm", easy!)
 

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The Cenobites are in the lead with a four-to-one ratio. If the Tall-Man has anymore "minions," he'd better pull something from his ass quick or Pinhead and company are going to lay a serious smack down on him more than they already are.
 

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Well, another one bites the dust as it were in this contest of the creepies, and Hellraiser kicks Phantasm out of the first round to move onto Round Two.
 
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